Thanks, G.

When I was initially planning this, I thought I remembered Rule 478
being power=4 and having some strong wording to the effect that
players can participate in the fora, and thought I could make a case
that a lower-powered rule like 2125 can't limit a player's ability to
do anything synonymous with sending messages (such as making a public

.But thinking about it more, even if my false memory were true, the
text "declared as eir Agoran Birthday" in Rule 2585 should not be
interpreted as referring to the ordinary English verb "declare",
because anyone with common sense would understand that it's intending
to refer to the regulated action defined in the previous sentence, and
Rule 217 says we should augment the rule with common sense if it's

Does that all make sense? Or is this a wrong or misleading way to look
at the situation?


On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 13:28, Kerim Aydin <> wrote:
> Welcome, Falsifian!  Good test of new rule - nice beginning!
> In general, when a rule says "a Player CAN [verb] with Agoran Consent", it
> means that e does whatever [verb] is using the Agoran Consent method; that
> is, the "actual" actions the player takes are following the R1728 procedure.
> Similarly, if it was "can declare by announcement" then e would do it by
> announcement.
> This is what is meant by "only using the methods explicitly specified in the
> Rules" in Rule 2125.
> Interestingly, if the rule said "declare" and didn't have one of the Rules
> methods in addition, then it's not clear how you would do it.  To interpret
> it, a judge would probably use the common (dictionary) definition of
> "declare" (as per R217), and it's not clear whether, as a result,
> "declare" on it own would mean to publish it, or just say it out loud (i.e.
> literally declare it to yourself), or what.  So you'd be spot-on with your
> arguments in that case.
> -G.
> On 2/12/2019 5:58 PM, James Cook wrote:
> > Thanks, D. Margaux. The only thing I can think of is that "declaring"
> > might not be an action (and hence not covered by Rule 1728), or that
> > it might be synonymous with "announcing" or "publishing", which Rule
> > 478 allows me to do. I'm guessing that Rule 217 and  game custom
> > defeat those arguments, but I thought I'd give it a try, since I don't
> > have much experience with game custom.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 01:17, D. Margaux <> wrote:
> >>
> >> Welcome!
> >>
> >> I assign that CFJ to myself
> >>
> >> Under the rule, I believe that a player CAN declare a date to be eir 
> >> birthday only “with Agoran Consent,” which is a particular method of 
> >> taking actions described in Rule 1728 that requires that you first 
> >> announce your intent to perform the action, and give players an 
> >> opportunity to support or object to it, and the action is permitted only 
> >> if more people support than oppose. So based on that, I think the CFJ is 
> >> FALSE, and I judge it that way unless there is something I am missing.
> >>
> >>> On Feb 12, 2019, at 7:52 PM, James Cook <> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I register. I go by "Falsifian" in online settings, or just my real name
> >>> "James" if you prefer.
> >>>
> >>> My Agoran Birthday is the day beginning at midnight UTC on February 13,
> >>> 2018.
> >>>
> >>> I initiate a CFJ for the statement "It is Falsifian's Agoran Birthday 
> >>> today
> >>> (the day beginning at midnight UTC on February 13, 2019).".
> >>>
> >>> Here is my argument:
> >>>
> >>> 1. I declared earlier in this message that is my Agoran Birthday was one
> >>> year ago. This is a simple matter of fact that anyone reading this can
> >>> verify. The rules cannot change this fact.
> >>>
> >>> 2. The day I first registered is unknown, because I haven't told anyone.
> >>> For example, as far as anyone else knows, I might have first registered a
> >>> very long time ago under a different name.
> >>>
> >>> 3. Rule 2585 says: "As long as the day a player first registered remains
> >>> unknown, it is considered to be eir Agoran Birthday on the anniversary of
> >>> the day e most recently declared as eir Agoran Birthday.". Based on my two
> >>> earlier points, then, today is the anniversary of my Agoran Birthday.

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