On 2/26/19 4:34 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote> Reuben Staley
<reuben.sta...@gmail.com> also wrote:
Along the same line, we have the distribution system of proposals. This goes
along with (1), but is still worth mentioning. In most other Nomics, proposals
are immediately put up for voting since one post can represent a proposal. Of
course, this is not something that would definitely have to go; it's not hard
to imagine a blog-based Nomic in which proposals are distributed all at once.
Agora’s propose-then-distribute-then-vote model closely mirrors how proposals
are resolved in systems like Robert’s Rules, which are designed to be effective
up to the 200-person deliberative scale. That a cut-down version is effective
in Agora is not surprising, but I think it is important. The immediacy of
decisions in other nomics reflects the immediacy of, say, a pull request, and
probably puts similar pressures on people to make snap decisions, whereas the
more structured schedule Agora uses gives people a deliberate and
widely-agreed-upon window of time to consider and respond before the
opportunity to give input closes.
In most other nomics I've played, I haven't noticed the *need* for such
deliberation. Rarely has there been proposal in other more ephemeral
nomics that really needed more that the standard 48-96 hours of
discussion about whether or not it would be a good idea. Agora has more
of these than other games, sure, but even here, they're rather uncommon.
Most proposals could probably be resolved here in a matter of days.
You’ve made a strong argument that no current web-based discussion system is a
good match _as shipped,_ though. None of them include the idea of gathering up
and regularly publishing digests of important subjects (proposals, in this
case). It’s something the users can do, just as we do with email on Agora,
It's not as if we don't have any options at all to implement a
digest-system, though. G.'s reply to this thread presents a rather good
method to keep our reports system mostly intact, for instance.
Reuben Staley <reuben.sta...@gmail.com> also wrote:
Now, let's discuss potential new forums for Agora. I believe that a bulletin
board would be the best way to continue playing Agora should it be moved.
Agoran threads get very long very fast, and a bulletin board would show every
comment response. Gamestate tracking could be relegated to a specific category
of posts; as could proposals and maybe even minigames. This may just be my
personal opinion about bulletin boards being the best out of the current ways
to play Nomic; however, I do honestly believe it would be the best way to go.
I hope this helps you with your research, o.
Thank you, it very much does.
Remember, my intention is not to move Agora. I like Agora where it is, and
would personally vote against proposals (or try to oust officers) that attempt
to move it to a web forum, absent an extremely compelling reason to change or a
patent and obvious shift in the culture of the game. I’m looking at ways to
extract useful tools from Agora to apply to other groups - particularly, groups
where I see that consensus mechanisms either don’t exist or have broken down
I would also vote against such proposals, and I understand your
intention behind this thread. As a self-proclaimed nomic scholor, I am
rather curious to see how you implement this data.