On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 19:39, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion <agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:36 PM nch via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/25/20 2:35 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:16 PM nch via agora-discussion > > > <agora-discussion@agoranomic.org > > > <mailto:agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>> wrote: > > > > > > On 6/25/20 2:11 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > > > Free Tournaments require only 2 Agoran consent to initiate, while > > > > Emergency Regulations require 3, so the easiest option is a Free > > > > Tournament that automatically grants a certain person the win. > > > However, > > > > this intent is also vetoable by the Speaker, which would be > > > incentivized > > > > to do so in order to keep eir post. This means that bribing the > > > current > > > > Speaker with a free win might be the best option. This would > > > also remove > > > > the need to control Prime Minister. > > > > > > Making up a fake win is better than a scam win? Also this can't be > > > done > > > in time. The only way you can delay us long enough would allow us to > > > delay this long enough. > > > > > > > > > Yes. Part of the fun of scams is that they should be resisted using > > > any legal game mechanic. If it requires producing an extra win, so be it. > > > > > > -Aris > > > > How is that different than a scam at that point? > > > > It's a matter of purpose, not of form. The purpose is to block the scam. We > don't want someone to win because we want a win, we want someone to win > because we can't think of a better way of blocking your scam. When someone > starts a scam, everyone will do everything they can to block it. It's > like... once you start using scam tactics, it becomes fair play to use them > back against you. > > -Aris
This is an attitude I hadn't been aware of. My goals in Agora are: win; make sure nobody else wins; and other stuff like having fun. I never thought of preventing scams as an end in itself. I am not inclined to support a free win for some other player just to prevent a different set of wins. Maybe I would support an "everyone wins" free tournament, because me winning with everyone else is better than me being left out of a win? - Falsifian
