On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 3:34 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > > Rule 1727 is also not explicit that Agora is in fact the > same nomic that "rose like a phoenix from the ashes of Nomic World". >
This has come up as a philosophical chat around here from time to time (I don't think there's any theses about it?) The general consensus (including back in 2002-2004 when Michael Norrish and other original Agorans from NW were still around) is that Agora is *not* continuous (i.e. not the 'same nomic') from Nomic World in the legal sense, and was never assumed to be. That "rise from the ashes" phrase is meant as continuity in spirit, as Agora was established by former NW players who wanted an email game with the same flavor of NW, and used very similar initial rules that NW had, as close to the Suber ruleset as possible with modifications for type of forum, with a few lessons learned from NW play (like not repeating the Lindrum World mistakes in the initial NW ruleset). Of course, the final rules of NW when it died were very different from the initial rules of Agora when it started up, so there was no continuity there. Conversely, NW had a subnomic going on while it was running - the Fantasy Rules Committee or FRC - that actually *was* contiguous by their rules. The FRC is still going on and, in a "legal" sense, may actually be "more continuous" with NW than Agora. But they always saw themselves as independent (when I was in NW, they were adamant that they wanted to keep FRC away from any NW politics) and have rejected almost all nomic-style play in the way Suber means it, so they are not continuous in spirit, even though they have a stronger legal claim to NW's inheritance, if that were relevant. -G.
