On Thu, 30 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> I AP-CFJ, barring PSS, and doubting the self-ratifying claim (if any) that
> Proposal 7981 took effect: The below-quoted message contains a
> self-ratifying claim that Proposal 7981 took effect.
This is CFJ 3618. I assign it to ATMunn.
> Arguments: The message clearly indicates that Proposal 7981 does not take
> effect, but Rule 2034 does not provide that the self-ratifying claim can be
> disclaimed in any way. Moreover, no other part of the message is
> self-ratifying, so I think the disclaimer falls outside the scope of
> self-ratification. Thus, the self-ratifying claim still exists.
>
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 at 21:25 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for catching that, I thought it was only for committed authors.
> > I publish the below revision:
> >
> > I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s) 7981 below. 7981 does not
> > take effect because its author lost the election.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the
> > following proposals. For each decision, the options available to
> > Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!). If a
> > decision's voting period is still ongoing, I end it immediately
> > before resolving it and after resolving the previous decision.]
> >
> > ID Author(s) AI Title Pender Pend
> > fee
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 7981* P. Scribonius 1 History by Force OP OP
> >
> > | | 7981 |
> > |--------+------+
> > |Alexis | FF |
> > |Aris | F |
> > |ATMunn | F |
> > |Corona | F |
> > |G. | F |
> > |o | A |
> > |PSS | F |
> > |--------+------+
> > |F/A | 7/1 |
> > |AI | 1.0 |
> > |V | 7 |
> > |Q | 4 |
> > |P | T |
> >
> >
> > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> >
> > Title: "History by Force"
> >
> > Author: PSS
> >
> > Co-author(s):
> >
> > AI: 1
> >
> > ID: 7981
> >
> > Enact a new Rule "Miscellaneous Herald Duties", with the following text:
> >
> > {
> >
> > The Herald SHALL in eir weekly report include an interesting Agoran
> >
> > fact and SHALL in eir monthly report include a short essay of any
> >
> > authorship, regarding an aspect of Agoran history. Any player
> >
> > publishing a thesis for a degree, related to Agoran history SHOULD
> >
> > offer a summary for publication in the Herald's monthly report.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Herald SHALL in eir monthly report publish, with reasonable
> >
> > effort, a summary of all theses written for the purpose of
> >
> > receiving degrees, regardless of whether a degree was awarded.
> >
> > The Herald SHOULD attempt to make theses available for reading.
> >
> > }
> >
> > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> >
> > I resolve the election for Herald as electing Corona. In the first round,
> > Corona wins with 6 votes, the ballots were as follows:
> >
> > PSS: {PSS, Corona}
> >
> > ATMunn: {Corona, PSS}
> >
> > Alexis: 2x {Corona, PSS}
> >
> > G.: {PSS, Corona}
> >
> > Aris: {Corona, PSS}
> >
> > o: {Corona, PSS}
> > ----
> > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 29, 2017, at 9:21 PM, Alexis Hunt <aler...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Per Rule 2034, the proposal taking effect self-ratifies. But it didn't
> > take
> > > effect, as Corona won.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 at 21:20 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> > > p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> But, I don't understand what the issue was.
> > >> ----
> > >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Nov 29, 2017, at 9:18 PM, Alexis Hunt <aler...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Because the revision is probably self-ratifying of its own right, and
> > so
> > >> it
> > >>> requires a second CoE to prevent that self-ratification. CoEs don't
> > carry
> > >>> over.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 at 21:17 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> > >>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> So, why did you CoE the revision?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 11/29/2017 09:16 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > >>>>> No, there was the first one, then the revision.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 at 21:12 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> > >>>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Not after the second one. Did I accidentally send multiple revisions
> > >>>>>> after VJ Rada's CoE?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 11/29/2017 09:10 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 at 21:08 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> > >>>>>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Why?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Because you published a new document purporting to be a decision
> > >>>>>>> resolution.
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> ----
> > >>>>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> ----
> > >>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>
