On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 07:48:44PM -0400, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-business wrote:
> If I have not already done so, I award the Patent Title of Champion to
> G., nix, and Jason. According to my records, I had done this, but I
> couldn't find it.
CFJ: On October 11, 2020, G., nix, and Jason won the game.
Arguments:
The basic issue here is that R2449 says "When the Rules state that a
person or persons win the game, those persons win the game", and it's
not clear whether the Rules stated that anyone won the game.
We talked about this a bit in IRC/Discord. Here is a summary of points
brought up by various players. (I'm looking at my log from October 18
UTC; some messages sent from 03:15-03:39 and some sent from
20:15-20:20).
* R2449 says a person wins when the Rules state they win. Does that mean
that's the only way to win?
* Proposals 8094 and 8097 were wins by proposal, more recent than the
current text of R2449.
* Relevant because win by proposal is another case where the rules
don't directly state someone wins.
* These wins don't seem to have been questioned, so at least it seems
Agorans intended it to work / game custom is that it works. But on
the other hand "it was game custom to consider auctions working for
a whole year when they didn't" (maybe referring to the incident
around CFJ 3712).
* "taking effect is a way to do anything" / "if taking effect couldn't
do anything possible at the power level, it couldn't even transfer a
coin at R2125"
* "I don't think taking effect makes the rule the agent though."
* Maybe a win by proposal doesn't do anything since 2449 refers to the
text of the rules. 'I think that argument would be like "they might
win but it doesn't necessarily do anything"'
* G. says when starting the scam e was genuinely curious about whether
winning by proposal was broken. 'It's a nice question of deference,
whether a rule stating generally "an instrument CAN apply the changes
is specifies" means that the rules "state" that someone wins the game
when an instrument does so.'
--
Falsifian
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