Hi Ted,

Thanks for your reply. I suspect my original query was too vague, so I will
illustrate it with a practical example here.

I have an ore horizon that splits into two separate horizons. One of these
split horizons has a lower average grade, and the other has a higher average
grade. I need to determine whether I should treat these two horizons as
separate entities during grade estimation. My geological observations tell
me that these two horizons derive from the same source, and on the face of
it are not different from one another in terms of mineral content and
genesis. I aim to back it up by proving, or attempting to prove, that
statistically these two horizons are the same, and can be treated as such as
far as grade estimation goes. Because the mean grades vary between the two,
I suspect that the T-test might fail, but I also suspect that the variance
in grade between the two might be very similar, and thus the F-test will
pass. Now I have a problem : a T-test tells me the populations differ
statistically, and but the F-test tells me they don't.

The confidence limit I refer to in (2) by the way is the Alpha value used to
determine the confidence level for the test - I am using Excel to do the
test.

Thanks,
Colin
 

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On 03-Dec-04 Colin Badenhorst wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>  
> I have two groups of several thousand samples analysed
> for various elements, and wish to determine if these
> samples are drawn from the same statistical population
> for later variography studies. I propose to test the two
> groups by using a F-test to test the sample variances,
> and a T-test to test the group means, at a given confidence limit.
>  
> Before I do this, I wonder how I would interpret the results
> of the test if, for example:
>  
> 1. The F-test suggests no significant statistical difference
> between the variances at a 90% confidence limit, BUT
> 2. The T-test suggests a significant statistical difference
> between the means at the same, or lower confidence limit.
>  
> Has anyone come across this scenario before and how are they
> interpreted?

On the face of it, the scenario you describe corresponds to
a standard t-test (which involves an assumption that the
variances of the two populations do not differ), though I'm
not sure what you mean in (2) by significant "at the same,
or lower confidence limit." (Do I take it that in (1) you
mean that the P-value for the F test is 0.1 or less?)

However, if you get significant difference between the variances
in (1), then it may not be very good to use the standard
t test (depending on how different they are). A modified
version, such as the Welch test, should be used instead.

There is an issue with interpreting the results where the
samples have initially been screened by one test, before
another one is applied, since the sampling distribution
of the second test, conditional on the outcome of the
first, may not be the same as the sampling distribution of
the second test on its own. However, I feel inclined to
guess that this may not make any important difference
in your case.

Hoping this helps,
Ted.


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