please stop this thread
going no where  refrain from
writing on this mail please those who are free are only doing timepass.

On 8/9/17, Sandeep Singh via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
> Dear friend, by your logic a woman should also get that right, to have
> the right of polygamy. Would you agree? It's a question of one's right
> to say no, you don't get a right to have sex whenever you feel like, a
> woman may not want to have sex at the same time every time for a
> thousand reasons, you must respect her wish. Why don't people
> understand that every individual has his/ her right to what they want
> or do not want. Getting married doesn't give you a right to treat your
> wife as your servant, you cannot treat even your servant that way now.
> Best.
>
> On 8/9/17, lalan via Ai <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
>> Thanks friend for your well info, but my question is if wife can be called
>> a
>> human then why man cannot be? Suppose, if someone’s wife or partnor try to
>> force that person for her needs and laws are also available them to force
>> mails to fulfill their needs then why cannot be a law for helping mail for
>> ignorance or forcement? what here has happened here with this mails.
>> Untill
>> he was fulfilling her needs she went to him making him available for
>> everything. One has also said that a girl forced a man to marry after job
>> but before that she ignored his proposal. One thing for sure, that we do
>> not
>> know the ground reallity of boath mail and feamail what ever case they
>> were
>> faceing when this insident occurred and became boath of each went against
>> hence untill we understand complete matter and points of boath side
>> equally,
>> we cannot make the right judgement. So, I think mr kapoor should
>> definitely
>> go to high court to get the justice because, we can fully understand the
>> importance of a job and how a blind person fight whole life to get a job.
>> What can be done of this one sided laws in our country?
>> I know that this era is of cheating one another, whether mail or feamail.
>> But thank you so much again for reply to my mail. Actually
>> From: George Abraham via Ai
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 7:06 AM
>> To: 'Share, empower &Enrich'
>> Cc: George Abraham
>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Fwd: Re: Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times
>> yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>
>> It can be a need, duty and hunger but it cannot be forced. The wife has to
>> be willing. If it is forced, it is rape in my book. Please remember, the
>> wife too is human with dignity, feelings,moods,  desires etc. She is not a
>> commodity one purchases. If husband and wife live as mature adults with
>> love
>> and respect for each other, there is no need to go to court.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
>> lalan via Ai
>> Sent: 09 August 2017 04:37
>> To: mahesh09136 via Ai
>> Cc: lalan
>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Fwd: Re: Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times
>> yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>
>>
>>
>> HI George sir, and dear friends,, can you make me clear that what is sex
>> all
>> about? Is it need or duty after marrege or hunger of a person? Can a man
>> challange ever his wife in a court about sex needs? if not at all, then
>> man
>> should have been aworded the right of multiple marrege. So I agree fully
>> with mr prateek.
>>
>> thank Prateek to support the right side
>>
>> On 7/27/2017 6:59 AM, mahesh09136 via Ai wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>
>>   -------- Original message --------
>>
>>   From: George Abraham via Ai mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in
>>
>>   Date: 26/07/2017 5:15 pm (GMT+05:30)
>>
>>   To: "'Share, empower &Enrich'" mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in
>>
>>   Cc: George Abraham mailto:george.abrah...@gmail.com
>>
>>   Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>
>>
>>
>>   Just to make a small observation:
>>
>>   1. Even if a husband forces himself on his wife if the wife is not
>> willing, in my understanding it amounts to rape. Strange as it may sound.
>>
>>   2. Even if two  adults are having regular sex for two years if the guy
>> forces himself on the woman when she is not willing, it is rape.
>>
>>   Lawyers on the list could check this out!
>>
>>   George
>>
>>   -----Original Message-----
>>   From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf
>> Of
>> bhawani shankar verma via Ai
>>   Sent: 26 July 2017 16:31
>>   To: Share, empower &Enrich
>>   Cc: bhawani shankar verma
>>   Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>
>>   right prateek, how can a consensus sex be converted to rape? if that
>> widow
>>
>>   was not agreed on her first encounter, why she did not go to police
>> after
>>
>>   first encounter? she was waiting far 2 years to trap that man?
>>   unfortunately, men have to suffer in india due to these gender biased
>> laws.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   -----Original Message-----
>>   From: prateek aggarwal via Ai
>>   Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:51 PM
>>   To: Share, empower &Enrich
>>   Cc: prateek aggarwal
>>   Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>>   Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>
>>   The widow went in a guest house with the boy to have sexual
>>   relationship by her will and continued going on repeated basis. How
>>   can this be even called rape is the question.
>>   @Avinash, I agree that the silver lining is that women knocked the
>>   door of court and found a favorable judgement, but I believe that this
>>   can further de-motivate men to have sexual relationship with women,
>>   even if the women are consenting to do so.
>>   Who would want to get into troubles like this,  even after having done
>>   sex with consent of the woman afterall.
>>   The judgement would strengthen the opinion that blind women are not
>>   quite  sexual being, which is already a prevalent  belief  in the
>>   society.
>>   This is truly illogical and one-sided in my opinion.
>>   Unfortunate.
>>
>>   Regards,
>>   Prateek agarwal.
>>
>>   On 7/26/17, avinash shahi via Ai
>> mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in
>> wrote:
>>   > The surviver in the under discussion order is a widow; this fact and
>>   > her precarious circumstance may have led the judge to pronounce such a
>>   > harsh punishment. He however can approach the higher judiciary.  As a
>>   > silver lining, There are very few blind women who knock the door of
>>   > the courts when their bodily integrity is violated. This particular
>>   > order should deter blind men in particular to not take blind women for
>>   > granted and for a ride.
>>   > On 7/26/17, Arjun Malhotra via Ai
>> mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in
>>   > wrote:
>>   >> Wasn't there a Supreme Court Judgment recently on educated women and
>>   >> promise of marriage. Why not apply that yardstick in this case as
>>   >> well.
>>   >>
>>   >> On 7/26/17, Rahul Kelapure via Ai
>> mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in
>>   >> wrote:
>>   >>> Agree with Prateek. Here I also see a strainge attitude of the Judge
>>   >>> to justify high punishment to the convict as the girl is blind and
>> he
>>   >>> took advantage of her helplessness as she was blind.
>>   >>>
>>   >>> While techniclly it could be rape but how many would Court award 10
>>   >>> years riggerous jail for this kind of matter in so called normal
>>   >>> cases?
>>   >>>
>>   >>> I think, Judge has gone overboard while pronouncing the sentence.
>>   >>>
>>   >>> This is like two extreme sides of attitude for disabled where on one
>>   >>> hand they will have extremely symphethy or they will have abselute
>>   >>> indiference or hatred for disabled.
>>   >>>
>>   >>> If She was so clear that, she would want to have sex only after
>> marage
>>   >>> then first marry and then do whatever. There are many matters where
>>   >>> everything is consensual but when things do not go as per the
>>   >>> expectation, slap with rape charges.
>>   >>>
>>   >>> Strainge.
>>   >>>
>>   >>> I am sure, this will not stand the scrutiny in the higher court. I
>>   >>> don't know how well the defence fought the matter.
>>   >>>
>>   >>> On 7/26/17, prateek aggarwal via Ai
>> mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in
>>   >>> wrote:
>>   >>>> While questioning court's decision is a crime itself in india,
>> isn't
>>   >>>> this unfair to punish man while the repeated sexual relationships
>> were
>>   >>>> established in mutual consensus of both the partners?
>>   >>>> As both of them had sex multiple times since 2015, how can this be
>>   >>>> even called rape on the first place?
>>   >>>> Yes the news suggests that the man has  promised marriage and   on
>>   >>>> that pretext this sexual relationship was established, but things
>> may
>>   >>>> happen in the course of  2 years that may force a person to not
>> marry
>>   >>>> other. That does not definitely take the fact away that the sex
>>   >>>> happened with the consent of girl.
>>   >>>> Promises like these are not documented here in india.
>>   >>>> Personally, I feel that the laws are sometimes being miss used by
>>   >>>> females, like it has been in this context. This is unfortunate.
>>   >>>>
>>   >>>> Regards,
>>   >>>> Prateek agarwal.
>>   >>>>
>>   >>>>
>>   >>>> On 7/26/17, Ajay Minocha via Ai
>> mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in
>>   >>>> wrote:
>>   >>>>> A very welcome judgement!
>>   >>>>>
>>   >>>>> On 7/26/17, avinash shahi via Ai
>> mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in
>>   >>>>> wrote:
>>   >>>>>>
>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/gurgaon/gurgaon-blind-banker-gets-10-year-jail-for-raping-blind-woman/story-xQAJGpWmso2ioCesDHV2UM.html
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>> A Gurgaon district court on Monday awarded 10 years rigorous
>>   >>>>>> imprisonment to a blind man, a trainee probationary officer at a
>>   >>>>>> public sector bank, who was found guilty of raping a 33-year-old
>>   >>>>>> blind
>>   >>>>>> widow repeatedly on the pretext of marriage.
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>> The court also imposed a penalty on convict Saurabh Kapoor, 35,
>> who
>>   >>>>>> was convicted of rape under Section 376 of the IPC.
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>> Additional Sessions Judge Rajni Yadav, while pronouncing the
>> quantum
>>   >>>>>> of sentence, said that given the inhumanity of the act, it was
>>   >>>>>> required to impose upon the convict substantive and stern
>> sentence
>>   >>>>>> that would commensurate with the gravity of the offence and also
>>   >>>>>> serve
>>   >>>>>> as an example to others.
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>> It is to be noted that since both the victim and the accused were
>>   >>>>>> blind, the court had relied upon ‘voice identification’ that
>> helped
>>   >>>>>> the woman to identify Kapoor, a resident of Mayur Vihar in Delhi.
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>> On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the
>> victim
>> on
>>   >>>>>> May 30, 2015, to a guest house in Gurgaon and raped her there for
>> the
>>   >>>>>> first time. He later continued to abuse her, promising marriage.
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>> The victim, who has an eight-year-old daughter, worked in a
>> private
>>   >>>>>> company in 2015, when the incident happened. She is currently
>>   >>>>>> unemployed.
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>>
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>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>> Public prosecutor Arvind Sharma said that the convict tried to
>> seek
>>   >>>>>> leniency from the court on account of his blindness.
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>> “The accused also argued that he is a government servant and
>> highly
>>   >>>>>> qualified, but all these arguments were rejected by the court,
>> which
>>   >>>>>> awarded him 10 years of imprisonment,” said Sharma, adding that
>> the
>>   >>>>>> court has imposed a penalty of Rs 10,000, out of which Rs 8,000
>> would
>>   >>>>>> go to the victim. The remaining Rs 2000 would go to the state. If
>> the
>>   >>>>>> accused fail to pay the fine, he will face one more year of
>>   >>>>>> imprisonment.
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>> The judge, in her order, also stated that undue sympathy to
>> impose
>>   >>>>>> inadequate sentence to the accused would do more harm as it will
>>   >>>>>> undermine the public confidence.
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>> “Keeping in view the offence committed by the convict, I am not
>>   >>>>>> inclined to take a lenient view against him and release him on
>>   >>>>>> probation. He has raped a young woman who was helpless,
>> defenceless,
>>   >>>>>> vulnerable and an easy prey who trusted the convict so much that
>> she
>>   >>>>>> surrendered herself to him. He used, violated and exploited her
>>   >>>>>>  body,”
>>   >>>>>> the court said.
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>> District attorney Lal Singh Yadav said the court has given a
>> strong
>>   >>>>>> message to the society. “The convict had sexually exploited the
>>   >>>>>> victim
>>   >>>>>> on the pretext of marriage,” he said.
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>>
>>   >>>>>>
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