Sir! I have a great regard for you, so, don't take all these things personally
but this is true, you criticized each of the mail since beginning, related
with the issue, posted in the group. Of course! It's nothing wrong to criticize
such incidents but it has already been condemned by most of the members &
nobody is in favor of all these bad incidents. There are no differences
between any of the member of the group in terms of this bad incident. We all
know, police inquiry has already been started & we hope that it'll give a
positive result to restore the proper security of school campus over there.
Honorable Delhi High Courte is also serious over the matter, so we need not to
worry anymore. I am sorry to say,
Here, each of us is behaving like a lawyer since beginning. This is not the
right forum for discussing all these sensitive issues.
Simultaneously, this is equally true that the group was formed for discussing
accessibility and issues concerning the disabled, so everyone should have pay
their attention towards the issues, related with the Accessibility and issues
concerning the disabled
In respect of Mr. Sarin Ji, I only can say, he is more sensitive, capable,
experienced & responsible person in his life, so, he should have come forward
to assist these organizations by contributing his knowledge & experiences in
spite of sharing his views in the group against these so called volunteers, "jo
in sansthaon kea ad men apni-apni dukan chala rahen hain."
This is true, Mr. Prashanth Varma & Mr. Deependar Manocha have been working
hard for these organizations by contributing them their technical support on
various accessibility issues & we can't ignore their support.
----- Original Message -----
From: r k sarin via Ai
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: r k sarin
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Let me try to bit personal. Were we doing something wrong while criticising?
Was the demand of inquiry a wrong idea? Was pointing the lacuna, knowing or
unknowingly, a serious matter to ponder over wrong? By pointing all this, we
are trying to say that such things should not happen repeatedly. But if someone
amongst them say that there is nothing wrong in such incidence, does it not
give the idea that for them it not a vital issue? This also says what kind of
filthy approach we have towards this issue. Can you teach such a group
something which fails to react or show its disagreement upon the comment of one
of its member? I have no word to say.
----- Original Message -----
From: B. R. Nautial via Ai
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: B. R. Nautial
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Some seniors, since beginning they are criticizing the incident though each
of us has already condemned the incident & expressed our deep concerns over the
bad incident. Whether anybody have any specific mechanism to avoid these kinds
of incidents in future?
Each of us knows, it'll not be the first & the last incident of the
organisation. Every organisation is facing the same kinds of situation in
different-different ways, so, everybody should have give their valuable
suggestions to improve the situation of school campus
This is equally true, the incident took place only due to negligence of
Hostel warden & other resident staff, so, free & fair internal inquiry should
be conducted to fix the accountability & necessary security majors
Should have taken to avoid these incidents in future.
10 years back, I spent almost one month there for computer training & I was
too shocked to find the worst situation of discipline inside the campus. Their
students were involved in various bad activities, like fighting here & there in
the public transport, using Alcohol, one of their students use to come in our
room and stolen the mobile of one of our83 years old trainees, Mr. Pyaralal
Aggarwal.
This is true, their management is totally irresponsible towards the
students of the campus. They are simply enjoying their life in very good
premises of the institution only on the names of welfare of these students.
This is equally true, maintaining of discipline inside the campus should
have been the first priority for the management as well as for some of their so
called volunteers but I am sorry to say, nobody took all these things
seriously. Most of these are simply enjoying various facilities along with the
students & getting attached with the organization for their own interest only.
Everybody is trying to give a safe passage to their staff members in spite of
condemning them.
This is the time for these people, whether they should have to be with the
institution or keep themselves away from the institution. This is the total
failure of these volunteers & management of the institution
I am quite confident that some positive result will come out which will
give a better future to the organisation.
----- Original Message -----
From: r k sarin via Ai
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: r k sarin
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Who stops the law but the donors are one of the parties of an institution
which any institution fails to recognise. If it is so, they are supposed to
know the situation of the concern to which they are giving donation.
Unfortunately, we call it donation wheras it is the contribution--not a
selfless one but with a strong feeling and commitment to the cause for which
donation/contribution is given.
----- Original Message -----
From: B. R. Nautial via Ai
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: B. R. Nautial
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Of course! this is not good for the reputation of the institution at
all. Now, the case has already been handed over to the police and they know,
how to deal with the case. I am sure! it'll give a very bad signal to the
donars as well. Everyone of us know, no such institutions can run without
public support, so let them do their work.
----- Original Message -----
From: r k sarin via Ai
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: r k sarin
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
We have come to know some reliable sources that the students are
disallowing to contact media.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai
To: 'Share, empower &Enrich'
Cc: Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Sarinji
I do not think the discussion should be closed. Even if we close
it on accessindia the press will still carry it and Avinash and others will
copy it for us.
I however think that the reporting to the police has been a good
step.
I also think that my advice to Prashant that he must track the
matter is sound advice.NAB Delhi is going to be harassed by many and we in the
sector must atleast criticise only after knowing facts.
Now the next set of problems who will you protect the kids from and
to what extent?
Avinash has listed out a few recent incidents.There are many more.
Who do you trust- Trustees, management,staff, family members,
volunteers, politicians,police, seniors from the same sex or from the
opposite sex. Everyone can be suspect and we have to guard against everyone.
These crimes donot get committed completely by one person. Therefore I had
mentioned an insider accomplice. Management cannot be blamed unless it is
directly involved. If management has taken precaution as much as a prudent man
would have then we cannot blame management.
In many cases the parties have hushed up matters -this is
detrimental to everyone.
But blaming anyone before investigation is over is wrong.
Kanchan
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On
Behalf Of r k sarin via Ai
Sent: 07 September 2017 14:53
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: r k sarin
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Kanchan ji, do you think that this superfluous approach will help
NAB and its institutions in a longer run. Why not to talk about the dilemma of
the NGOs--services vs. management of funds. purely person outlook.
R.K. Sarin
----- Original Message -----
From: Kanchan Pamnani via Ai
To: 'Share, empower &Enrich'
Cc: Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Prashant,
Most NGOs hide such incidents therefore we are proud of you for
taking the right steps.
Maybe other NGOs will learn and our faith in the system will be
revived.
Incidents like this happen unfortunately. You can tighten your
security etc but this can happen again.
Much harassment will be doled out to the alleged accused but the
same harassment will be doled out in greater measure to your organisation and
its staff and members first. Unfortunately this is how the legal system works
in India.
Please keep a track of the matter because if you don't the matter
will slip under the carpet. This will take some time to end.
You will need to track the police.
Many in this group have a connection direct or indirect with NAB
Delhi and would like to keep a track of the newspaper reports etc.
Yes no names must or should be revealed.
We are with you please go the whole hog even if there is someone
from inside who is going to be implicated as an accomplice.
Kanchan
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On
Behalf Of Prashant Ranjan Verma via Ai
Sent: 06 September 2017 09:54
To: 'Harish Kotian via Ai'
Cc: Prashant Ranjan Verma
Subject: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Dear Harish,
The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is
under the POCSO act where peple are forbidden to reveal anything which could
lead to the identity of the victims.
The way peple discuss things on the AI list, I am afraid it could
invite legal action by the police.
So, please do not allow this to go through. I am ofcourse
available to answer fquestions on phone or personal email.
Yesterday Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing show on this
already and they got lot of complains already.
Thanks,
Prashant Verma
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