On 05.05.14 14:59, Heiko Seeberger wrote:
On the other hand, an application level ACK is an additional message that might get lost ...

The same is true for the channel-internal ACK.


Heiko


On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Heiko Seeberger <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Maybe yes.

    Heiko


    On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Martin Krasser
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


        On 04.05.14 11:00, Heiko Seeberger wrote:
        Not all communication follows the request-response pattern.
        In my case there's no need for an application level response,
        its only purpose is the technical ACK.

        Isn't that a special case of request-response?



        Heiko


        On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Martin Krasser
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Maybe a confirm(reply: Any) method would make sense,
            where reply is sent to the sender of the Persistent
            message. This would also allow for some internal
            optimizations.


            On 04.05.14 10:18, Martin Krasser wrote:

            On 04.05.14 10:07, Heiko Seeberger wrote:
            On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Martin Krasser
            <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                Hi Heiko,


                On 03.05.14 06:58, Heiko Seeberger wrote:
                Hi,

                A short-lived actor A should send a "result"
                message to some other actor B before it terminates
                itself. As it is important that this message gets
                delivered, I would like to use a channel in order
                to retry message delivery. In case of permanent
                delivery failure (redeliverMax exceeded) the
                short-lived actor A would send the message to some
                other actor C which would know what to do. This
                can be implemented using a redeliverFailureListener.

                My question is: How can the short-lived actor A
                know that the message has been delivered, i.e. the
                ConfirmablePersistent message has been confirmed?
                AFAIK there's no deliverSuccessListener or such.

                Actor B should send an application-level reply to
                actor A. Channels preserve sender references.


            Well, that's how I have already implemented it without
            channels. I was hoping that channels would make that
            easier ;-)

            The purpose of a channel is to make delivery of a
            message from A -> B more reliable (by implementing a
            retry-ack protocol where the ack is generated by the
            receiver by calling confirm()) and it shouldn't hide an
            application-level conversation between actors A and B
            which also includes the reply from B to A. You'd also
            send a reply if A sends a message to B without using a
            channel. Hence, when using a channel, B should confirm
            delivery *in addition* to sending a reply.


            Is it possible to add a feature like a
            deliverSuccessListener in the future?

            It's not a big deal to add that but I'm not sure if it's
            a good idea from a design perspective. Curious what
            others think ...


            Thanks
            Heiko

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