But as it has been said, the Constitution is a living document.  So
it's meanings and interpretations changes with the times.

"Nowhere does the Constitution tell me what our society owes me, other
than the common defense."  -- Well it says promote the general welfare
too.  That's what society owes you as well.  In this day and age, it
includes health and education.  Or at least it should.


The Constitution does not say anything about capitalism either.  The
first draft of the Constitution said nothing about the right's of
women, yet we add amendments to it.

I think the problem you are having is that you are separating yourself
from the government, as if it is out to get you.  What most people
forget is that YOU are the government.  I am the government.  Alex
Bennett, and every other American is the government.  People say the
government is there only for corporate interests.  That's only because
we allowed it to happen.  We have to make it work for what is best for
the most Americans.

On Oct 29, 8:42 am, awaylate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would argue that promoting the general welfare meant something very
> different than paying for everyone's   health care.  Continued
> recognition of new "rights" while relieving people of their own
> responsibilities makes children of us all, with government as the
> parent.  People have the right to eat the bread earned by their own
> work, and the right to be left alone.  The Constitution is actually an
> enumeration of "negative rights," proscribing what the Government
> can't do.  The government can't tell me what to say.  It can't tell me
> who to associate with, it can't keep me from owning the means of my
> own self-defense.  Nowhere does the Constitution tell me what our
> society owes me, other than the common defense.  The government (or
> the People) does not owe me a home, does not owe me sustenance, does
> not owe me happiness.  What the government owes us all is a civil
> structure that allows us to take care of ourselves without having to
> worry about assault or oppression by others, including oppression by
> mob rule.
>
> On Oct 27, 9:38 am, Brian S Paskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > There are many items that are not in the Constitution.  However, the  
> > preamble of the Constitution does say,
>
> > "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect  
> > Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the  
> > common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings  
> > of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish  
> > this Constitution for the United States of America."
>
> > I would argue that "promote the general Welfare" covers health care.
>
> > --
> > Regards / Saluti / mit Freundlichen Grüßen,
> > Brian
>
> > #-------------------------------------------#
> > "La pittura è una poesia che si vede
> >   e non si sente, e la poesia è una
> >   pittura che si sente e non si vede."
>
> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]://www.paskino.com
> > #-------------------------------------------#
>
> > On Oct 27, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Dan in Atlanta wrote:
>
> > > That's the issue a lot of right wingers like to fall back on.
>
> > > The "right" to health care is not officially in the Constitution,
> > > there fore it is not a right of Americans.  But I say that it is, at
> > > the very least, a natural right; and if we need to formally put it in
> > > the Constitution to satisfy those people, then I say we do so.
>
> > > On Oct 27, 10:07 am, "Brian S. Paskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> The Republicans, and some Democrats, do not know the difference
> > >> between Socialism and social programs.  Even Alex says Europe has
> > >> Socialism.  That is not exactly true.  The States do not own any
> > >> industries, except maybe the Post, and now some banks after the
> > >> financial disaster of the last few months.  What they do is tax
> > >> people's income at a higher rate to give people more social programs,
> > >> like health care, child care and education.  The question is giving
> > >> someone health care and education a redistribution of wealth, a sign
> > >> of Socialism, or a right of the people.
>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Brian (Cambridge, MA)- Hide quoted text -
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