Yes, they all do that. We have loads of fun staging window races, since they all slow down at different rates. It is, as was mentioned, a mickey mouse system. If anyone wants to bid on it, I still have the "alternative, emergency" manual window winder handle that came with the GTV6, proving the folks at Arese weren't too keen on the system themselves. I always felt it was one of those things grudgingly added to an existing model(s) design to make it minimally appealing to philistine buyers in primitive territories like the USA, similar to air conditioning that wouldn't work over 82F. (At least they didn't put in cup holders!) It didn't have to work or work well; it only had to be offered in the listing of features to be in the running with prospective buyers, or so they seemed to believe at the time. Ask Craig Morningstar what he thinks. BTW, I heard the motors driving the power rear-view mirrors on the GTV6 were actually designed for electrical toys (for tots, not Italian cars). Anyone heard that one this century? Charlie LA, CA, USA 84 GTV6 91 Spider 11 Hyundai Sonata (the hauler) In a message dated 1/2/2012 2:41:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
alfa-digest Monday, January 2 2012 Volume 10 : Number 2509 Forum for Discussion of Alfa Romeos, etc. Richard Welty <[email protected]> Digest Coordinator Contents: [alfa] Window lube [alfa] Lube for slow windows? [alfa] Re: lube for slow windows? Re : [alfa] lube for slow windows? Re: [alfa] lube for slow windows? [alfa] ALFA - Underfloor GTV brake MC sizes Re: [alfa] lube for slow windows? Alfa Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/alfa/ Send submissions to [email protected] Send administrative requests to [email protected] To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to alfa-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:40:49 -0800 From: jeff clark <[email protected]> Subject: [alfa] Window lube >Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 04:00:48 -0800 (PST) >From: ira kaufman <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: Re : [alfa] lube for slow windows? > >i've been thinking.beeswax is superior to paraffin in so many ways.wouldn't it >be better here as well.? it mat atrack bees pof course. <giggle> - -- jeff clark 82 Spider Veloce 99 BMW R1100S [email protected] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 12:06:52 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: [alfa] Lube for slow windows? While it is somewhat hard to find, I've found that spraying silicone lubricant on the window channels really helps. Plus it comes with a spray tube so you can get behind the window edges. I've found that on 116 Alfa's that for whatever reason there is a narrow spot between the channels right at the cill/sill. Or to phrase it another way, at the lower edge of the 'windwing'. Biba Irwindale, CA USA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 12:56:59 -0800 From: jef Fowler <[email protected]> Subject: [alfa] Re: lube for slow windows? This gets good reviews http://www.slipit.com/prodsc.html but not used it myself but will be getting some. Non-silicone and used for woodworking as it attracts very little sawdust to gum everything up. I have not worked on the window mechanism on a GTV6 (there always seems to be more urgent issues) but other types I have worked on responded quite well to cleaning out the rack (not even sure the GTV6 uses one) and re-lubing with water resistant grease. Also, over time, any plastic bushings wear and bind (wiper rack bushings are another example of slow Alfa electrics). Jef (I'm still here too!) Fowler www.motozane.com ________________________________________________ De: [email protected]<[email protected]> Objet: [alfa] lube for slow windows? @: [email protected] Date: Dimanche 1 janvier 2012, 2h14 On another subject, the passenger side window of the GTV 6 is pretty slow. I suspect there needs to be some kind of lube in the window tracks that guide it up. With the least bit of finger pressure helping it along, it seems much happier going up. Is there a non destructive spray I can put on there to see if this is all it needs? On another GTV 6, I changed the motor in the door, so I have an idea of what's inside. Before I go looking in there, it just seems like a 26 year old mechanism that's never been lubed is the most likely place to start. Stevan Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 13:29:55 -0800 From: Will Owen <[email protected]> Subject: Re : [alfa] lube for slow windows? Stevan - My Milano windows got painfully slow a couple of years back, and I thought some kind of lubrication on the tracks was needed, so I asked the guys at Alfa Only. They said No, that wasn't it, and proceeded to remove the door trim panels and then spray-lubed the regulator mechanisms, after which they worked just fine. Now, removing those panels is a real PITA if you don't do it enough to get good at it, and now I'm back down to one crawler and one immobile (I think the switch expired, and they're NLA!!). But I know what to do when I finally get around to it, and greasing the channels ain't it. Will Owen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:44:46 -0800 From: George Graves <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [alfa] lube for slow windows? I have the same trouble. I've tried lub'ing the tracks and the rest of the mechanism with silicone lubricant and it does essentially no good. The system is Mickey Mouse at best and incompetent at worst. Some 70's and 80's Ferraris with "power" windows use exactly the same system from the same manufacturer. I have researched it and found that the only way to fix the problem correctly is to replace the whole with a new one. Since the original parts are no longer available new, I suggest this "hot-rod" kit designed for cars with thin doors that use the "rack-tape" method or one similar: http://www.a1electric.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AEOS &Product_Code=EL2000-K George Graves '86 GTV-6 3.0 'S' On Dec 31, 2011, at 6:14 PM, [email protected] wrote: > On another subject, the passenger side window of the GTV 6 is pretty > slow. > I suspect there needs to be some kind of lube in the window tracks > that > guide it up. With the least bit of finger pressure helping it > along, it seems > much happier going up. Is there a non destructive spray I can put > on there > to see if this is all it needs? On another GTV 6, I changed the > motor in > the door, so I have an idea of what's inside. Before I go looking > in there, > it just seems like a 26 year old mechanism that's never been lubed > is the > most likely place to start. > Stevan Thomas > -- > to be removed from alfa, see http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi > or email "unsubscribe alfa" to [email protected] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:33:39 +1300 From: Graham&Joan Hilder <[email protected]> Subject: [alfa] ALFA - Underfloor GTV brake MC sizes Greetings all, I'm playing around with the brakes in our 1750 GTV, a Euro-style RH Drive car with the underfloor brake MC and the twin hydraulic boosters in the engine room. Wonder if anyone knows if these underfloor MCs are available in different bore diameters please? What I'm thinking of is to try a larger diameter than standard for this particular model of GTV, to obtain a more solid pedal feel and less free travel before it bites. I know this would be at the expense of higher pedal effort, but the servo action is strong enough that I could easily afford a bit more effort. Thanks all, Graham H, N.Z. ('71 GTV, '82-'84 Alfasud ti & Sprint, Alfa 156) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:39:50 -0500 (EST) From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [alfa] lube for slow windows? A couple of months ago, I had my GTV-6 door panels off to fix several minor rust problems. While the panels were off, I cleaned the wire contacts for the window motors, and I lubed the pulley mechanism. I was astonished the first time I tried the windows, they opened and closed at lest twice as fast as they ever did. Bruce Sharer Raleigh, NC In a message dated 1/1/2012 10:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I have researched it and found that the only way to fix the problem correctly is to replace the whole with a new one. ------------------------------ End of alfa-digest V10 #2509 **************************** -- to be removed from alfa, see http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi or email "unsubscribe alfa" to [email protected]
