Regardless if Alfa came, went, bought by Fiat or anyone else those old Alfa engnes would be gone anyway, any new Alfas would be much the same as we see today and the Alfa experience we enjoy would also be long gone. It is globalization, cost savings and selling to a larger (and different) customer base. Without Fiat (and Jaguar without Ford) the Alfas would be found only in museums and antique auctions.
From: alfa-digest <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 11:33 PM Subject: alfa-digest V10 #2518 alfa-digest Sunday, January 15 2012 Volume 10 : Number 2518 Forum for Discussion of Alfa Romeos, etc. Richard Welty <[email protected]> Digest Coordinator Contents: [alfa] unsubscribe [alfa] Spica Spider steering gear [alfa] George G. hit the nail on the head! Re: [alfa] George G. hit the nail on the head! [alfa] Will O. hit the auto on the bonnet ! [alfa] Re: alfa-digest V10 #2517 RE: [alfa] Will O. hit the auto on the bonnet ! Alfa Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/alfa/ Send submissions to [email protected] Send administrative requests to [email protected] To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to alfa-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:37:20 -0500 From: Bill Willmeroth <[email protected]> Subject: [alfa] unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DeLand Barnstormers Bill Willmeroth 1151 Carter Rd. DeLand, FL 32724 386-453-7576 [email protected] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 01:46:08 +0000 (UTC) From: [email protected] Subject: [alfa] Spica Spider steering gear Gentle Alfisti, A long-time ambition has been to remove and rebuild the Burmann box that is getting a little sloppy and has lost it's lower seal. I happen to have a ZF box that is tight and I was wondering if the two types were interchangeable. Can you replace a Burmann steering gear with a ZF unit? Thanks Digest modelle in somers point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:45:25 -0500 From: "Ed" <[email protected]> Subject: [alfa] George G. hit the nail on the head! More excellent contributions from George. Driving a real Alfa Romeo is a unique experience. I own a '79 and an '85, I have sold a few others and I am unlikely to own any that were built after my current ones. Ed Prytherch, Columbia SC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:52:06 -0800 From: George Graves <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [alfa] George G. hit the nail on the head! Yes, Milanos (75's) are real Alfas designed at Arese by Alfa Romeo engineers using real Alfa engines and transmissions and suspensions. My GTV6 has had a Milano Verde 3-liter V-6 engine and transaxle installed in it with S-Cams and a modified Bosch ECU called a "Pandora's Box". But all of these cars, the GTV-6, the SZ30, the 75, the 164, were all designed at Arese by Alfa Romeo engineers either before of during Alfa's acquisition by Fiat. It took Fiat almost 20 years to completely kill-off all Alfa DNA. The 156, 166, 147 etc. were the first Fiat-designed Alfas, and even those still had SOME real Alfa motors and transmissions in them - Especially the the V-6 and its descendants. That engine lasted until about 2005, when it was replaced by an ill-begotten piece of utter crap sourced from General Motors and re-worked by Fiat to be an "Alfa" engine. Even it's gone now, and there are NO V-6s (or V-8s) available in any Alfa any more. In fact there are NO Alfa motors left at all! All you have are several Fiat 4s: the 1.4 liter Multi-aire engine used in the US Fiat 500, a 1750 gas engine, a 2-liter gas engine and a 4-cylinder turbo-Diesel. These same engines are also available in a number of Fiat models and Lancia models and soon, will be running around this country in various Chrysler products. Already, if Yo buy a Fiat 500, you've essentially got an Alfa MiTo. Except for some minor cosmetic differences, they're exactly the same car. In fact, that fancy Multi-Air engine that the US 500 has is available in Europe only on the Alfa Mito, It's only the US version of the Fiat that gets that motor. But the next incarnation of the European 500's will get the engine too, I understand, making even those versions of the MiTo and 500 exactly the same cars. George Graves '86 GTV-6 3.0 'S' On Jan 14, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Ed wrote: > Hi George, > I have owned a couple of Milano Verde's which were real Alfa's and I > am going to install a '92 164 engine in my GTV6, but it will still > be a real Alfa. > Regards, > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Graves" <[email protected] > > > To: "Ed" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:16 AM > Subject: Re: [alfa] George G. hit the nail on the head! > > >> The last REAL Alfa Romeo was the SZ30 "Il Mostro" from 1991-1993 >> and it was never Federalized so that it could be sold here in the >> USA. >> >> George Graves >> '86 GTV-6 3.0 'S' >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 13, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Ed wrote: >> >>> More excellent contributions from George. Driving a real Alfa >>> Romeo is a >>> unique experience. I own a '79 and an '85, I have sold a few >>> others and I am >>> unlikely to own any that were built after my current ones. >>> >>> Ed Prytherch, Columbia SC >>> -- >>> to be removed from alfa, see http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi >>> or email "unsubscribe alfa" to [email protected] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:41:59 +0000 From: "doskow, j" <[email protected]> Subject: [alfa] Will O. hit the auto on the bonnet ! Thanks Will O. for your very well thought out & written commentary. Ford did a nice job with their X-Type Jaguar a few years ago, a truly badge engineering job of an ordinary Ford, but in reality are a car's properties and behaviors not really what matters ? Is it unbelievable that Chevrolet could make a great car with as much "personality" as an ALFA ? Oh i forgot, there haven't been any 'real' Chevrolets since the company was bought out by GM in 1918 ! jack in Bloomington IN ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:04:54 -0800 (PST) From: trevor fay <[email protected]> Subject: [alfa] Re: alfa-digest V10 #2517 Unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:33:45 +1100 From: "The Baylys" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [alfa] Will O. hit the auto on the bonnet ! I wouldn't say the X-type is 'truly' badge-engineered. The body, which forms a substantial part of the overall car and a larger proportion of overall design, is different to the Ford. - -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of doskow, j Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [alfa] Will O. hit the auto on the bonnet ! Thanks Will O. for your very well thought out & written commentary. Ford did a nice job with their X-Type Jaguar a few years ago, a truly badge engineering job of an ordinary Ford, but in reality are a car's properties and behaviors not really what matters ? Is it unbelievable that Chevrolet could make a great car with as much "personality" as an ALFA ? Oh i forgot, there haven't been any 'real' Chevrolets since the company was bought out by GM in 1918 ! jack in Bloomington IN - -- to be removed from alfa, see http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi or email "unsubscribe alfa" to [email protected] ------------------------------ End of alfa-digest V10 #2518 **************************** -- to be removed from alfa, see http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi or email "unsubscribe alfa" to [email protected]
