I'll believe it when I see it! Of course, it's largely academic at  
this point. The 4C will cost north of $70,000. Way out of my league at  
this stage of my life.


George Graves


On Aug 19, 2012, at 5:19 AM, Mike Hemsley wrote:

> Hi George:
>
> Actually, it's looking more hopeful that the 4C will be here next  
> year.  Recently, Alfa techs from Fiat-Chrysler came to a Detroit  
> Chapter event with two non-US cars and gave people the opportunity  
> to drive them.  They also talked about the technology that will be  
> in the new cars.  Last weekend, I happened to be in Detroit and  
> helped at their autocross.  I met an Italian fellow who is working  
> on the Alfa side of Fiat.  He didn't make any predictions, but these  
> folks are here now.  The problem is that the 4C is projected to be  
> something like $66K.  The Giulietta is supposed to come after the 4C  
> then the Giulia.  I've talked with two Fiat dealers (New Orleans and  
> Birmingham, AL), and both are anticipating Alfas.  Fiat needs more  
> than the 500 and Abarth.  They've got a bigger car coming (4 door),  
> but it's still not up market enough - the dealers are very open  
> about needing Alfa Romeos on their showroom floor.
>
> So, I hope you don't have to eat your GTV-6, but I also hope you're  
> wrong.  Yeah, I've become an optimist this past year, but I'm still  
> looking for a car I can drive now.  Got a call from the Hyundai  
> dealer - they've got a turbo Veloster on the lot.  I'm going to go  
> look at it this week.  I still want the Focus ST, but I'm hearing  
> that it might be pricier than I had hoped.  We'll see.
>
> Even though I'm not likely to own an Alfa newer than my '73 Super,  
> but I really do want to see new ones back in the US.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Mike
>
> > CC: [email protected]
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [alfa] Alfa Alternative
> > Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 17:25:39 -0700
> >
> > Can't say I blame you for not waiting. I've gotten old waiting for
> > Alfa to come back. I will get a lot older before they actually do.
> > What's the latest prognosis, 2015, 2016? If they appear before 2020,
> > I'll eat my GTV-6!
> >
> > George Graves
> >
> >
> > On Aug 18, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Mike Hemsley wrote:
> >
> > > I've also been looking for an alternative, but I had an  
> advantage as
> > > I have
> > > owned an SVT Focus since 2002. It's like a 147 - hot hatchback!
> > > So, when I
> > > decided to look for something in 2012, I discovered that there are
> > > several hot
> > > hatchbacks either here or coming soon. I've driven the Abarth, and
> > > I LOVE it,
> > > but the seat bolsters cut into my thighs - guess my 68 year old
> > > thighs have
> > > spread a bit. So, I initially narrowed the search to three in the
> > > low to mid
> > > $20s, only one of which is actually here:
> > >
> > > Mazdaspeed 3 - 4 door, turbo hatch with 220+ hp, 6spd manual, and,
> > > it is
> > > claimed, torque steer that's under control - we'll see on that  
> one.
> > > It's the
> > > only one of the three that's here now. It's the largest of the  
> three
> > >
> > > Hyundai Veloster Turbo (Velociraptor?) - 3 door (2 on the  
> passenger
> > > side),
> > > turbo hatch with 201hp, 6spd manual. Pretty cool idea to have two
> > > doors on
> > > the passenger side. It's the smallest of the three and due in
> > > dealers any
> > > time.
> > >
> > > Ford Focus ST - 4 door, turbo hatch with 250+hp, 6spd manual. I  
> saw
> > > this car
> > > at the SVT facility in Detroit last weekend, and I think I've  
> found
> > > my next
> > > car. It is really, really nice and should be quite fast. Easy
> > > entry and exit
> > > for an old guy with the ST-1 level seats (not the Recaros in the
> > > other two
> > > levels). These are due in the dealerships in the next few weeks.
> > >
> > > I've pretty much decided to buy the Focus ST, since the Alfas that
> > > are coming
> > > in the next few years aren't likely to be in my price range,
> > > although they're
> > > probably going to make me drool.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps.
> > >
> > > Mike Hemsley
> > >
> > >> From: [email protected]
> > >> To: [email protected]
> > >> Subject: alfa-digest V10 #2614
> > >> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 21:39:14 +0000
> > >>
> > >
> > >> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 02:53:47 -0400
> > >> From: Paul Witek <[email protected]>
> > >> Subject: [alfa] Alfa alternative for daily driver...
> > >>
> > >>> of course then the question becomes: what on earth approaches  
> th e
> > >> experience of driving my Alfa?
> > >>
> > >> The only thing I can think of might be a Fiat 500 Abarth...
> > >>
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