smile. Actually once the fome came off I thought the DM420 buds were
quite good. They were pretty bright. Godzilla 1998 doing the tornado
blast roar sounded pretty good on them. The bass wasn't bose amazing but
meh it was axeptable.

On 4/9/2018 2:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Mind you I do wonder why companies bother giving us Earbuds, the cardboard packing of 
the recorder etc is probably worth more <smile>.

On 10 Apr 2018, at 2:46 am, Robin Frost <> wrote:

Wow I've never gotten earbuds with any Olympus I've ever bought in the States. 
How interesting.
Take good care.

-----Original Message----- From: Dane Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [all-audio] Olympus LS-P4 Recorder

I suppose Olympus take the view that most of their users can see the
level meters so they do know that the audio is being heard by the
microphones and then the record est would know the audio was being
recorded when the elapsed and remaining times were displayed on the screen.

I think the US models of Olympus recorders come supplied with Earbuds or
at least they did.

The last 2 Olympus recorders I bought locally and they didn't really
come with much in the way ofr accessories and certainly didn't come with

On 9/04/2018 12:33 PM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Yeah that's all true. I actually have no true idea why they are there. I do 
know some people like them though. Like I said Neal does. Personally my self 
though I do if the machine speaks. but like you said in the case of the zooms 
well they don't make music, they don't talk or beap so why bother. What's more 
the H6 you know it's on due to the mikes being open. But I'm sure you don't 
hear this on the builtin. Otherwize the feed back will drive ya batty. Trust me 
I know from instances with the PTR 1 and 2. Also from opening the mikes on the 
LS 14 with the recorder hooked to the soundlink mini. But yeah I don't really 
listen to stuff on the built in. But just was giving ya a Zoom statement from 1 
of their vids. That's at least why they said they do it. Just so you can be 
sure something captured. But yeah well in the case of the Olympus recorders 
I've had and on the LS-14 I can say meh I wouldn't really use that confidence 
speaker for serious listening. Yeah the VR Stream speaker ain't all that good 
either. Plextalk always did better. But then my ears got too use to Bose. lol. 
Na seriously last year when I brought out the PTR 1 again and listened to 
something on it I was like dude what the hell? This little speaker sucks. I 
ccan't believe I once loved that quality. This ain't no Bose. Ah now I remember 
what I listened to. I burned Neal's LS-100 podcast to a CD and listened to my 
favorite part. The Rode NT1-A demos. None of the sole none of that movie center 
channal presenze that makes it sound like Neal's right with ya and none of the 
epic chrispness came threw the PTR1. lol.

On 4/8/2018 9:04 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Consider this.

How could anyone possibly Gage the quality of a recording through small 
speakers that aren't even designed to sound any good rather they just appear to 
be put into a recorder as an afterthought.

Good recorders in the past have not necessarily had any speakers in them at all 
and I can give perfect examples of this.

The Sony Wmd-6 professional cassette walkman.

The Sony MZR-900 Minidisc recorder.

The Sony PCM-D50 recorder.

The above machines sold not because of any internal speaker but because they 
were good quality recorders.

Another point, do you expect to be able to judge how good a music file sounds 
just through listening to the internal speaker of your phone? Coruse not.

The Victor Reader Stream may I remind you doesn't even come with a good quality 
sound from its internal speaker.

On 9/04/2018 10:59 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Ah look at what Zoom calls the speaker. It's called a confidence speaker. So 
for the sighted I guess it's just to see how the sound came out. Though not in 
a real good way. For us the blind it helpes in that you can hear something thus 
know the thing is even on. Now I agree with ya that you should at least have 
some ear buds. But some people and Neal apparently is 1 don't like doing that. 
Well Neal also uses those in ear mikes Larry Scutchann did.

On 4/8/2018 6:20 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The speaker of a recorder to me at least isn't all that important as I always 
carry around a pair of headphones and I often wonder why manufacturers bother 
to build speakers into recorders in the first place, after all I buy the 
recorder to record with.

One thing I do like with the LS-P4 is the ability to output sound through a 
Bluetooth speaker or headset.

Some of the best speakers I've heard in recorders go to the Olympus LS-100 and 
the Zoom H6.

On 6/04/2018 2:18 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:
Hi. I'm wondering how the speaker sounds on this model. I currently own the 
dm720 and also had the lsp2 for a short time which I returned. The one thing I 
really don't like on many of the Olympus recorders is that they use really tiny 
and tinny sounding speakers with little volume. I think they can and should do 
better. How would you describe the sound characteristics of the builtin speaker 
of the lsp4? Amazon currently has this model for $180 with free prime shipping.

-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 11:39 AM
Subject: [all-audio] Olympus LS-P4 Recorder

Neal's talking about the LS-P2 isn't he and not the P4? I've no idea how 
similar or different these machines are.

I did think about purchasing the LS-P2 as Ferguson Enterprises had it on sale.

I originally wanted to purchase a LS-14 but that model is now discontinued as 
we all know.

A friend advised me of a local Olympus dealer who he thought had the
LS-14 in stock as it was listed on the web page.

Unfortunately that web page listing was out of date so the dealer asked me if 
I'd like to purchase the LS-P4 which - according to Olympus Australia - is the 
replacement model for the LS-14.

One can only hope that there are improvements at the very least with the
LS-P4 over the LS-p2.

One thing I did notice which is interesting, if you have a Bluetooth speaker connected to 
the LS-P4 and you have the recorder set to record using FLAC then the recorder will 
change to PCM mode for recording for whatever reason but no need to panic as the LS-P4 
does indeed warn you that the mode has changed when you go into "Record 
Standby" mode.

On 6/04/2018 12:19 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Yeah and basically that's what Neal said it's good fore. It's supposed
to be good for music too by how it's sold but Neal dissagreed with that.

On 4/4/2018 11:12 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
I’ve not heard Neal’s review on the P2 as yet so I’m none the wiser
I only plan to use this recorder for general use so for that it will
do just fine particularly given the size of the recorder and the fact
it takes 1 AAA type battery.

On 5 Apr 2018, at 1:07 pm, Hamit Campos <> wrote:

I just grabbed it. Hmmmm this has a bit of a bigger sound then the
P2. But then again you didn't shut the middle Omni off right? Neal
for what ever reason just hates that omni. It's kinda funny actually
how it gets under his skin. Meh maybe he's right. an omni between 2
cardioids may not be a good idea. I'd have to get an H5 at least 3
real seperate mikes, and try it for reals. Cause they are too little
even on the 14 and too near to each other to really see what having
that omni there actually does bad.

On 4/4/2018 10:57 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Here’s a link to the second recording I’ve made thus far with the
Olympus LS-p4 and that’s not bad going given I’ve only had the
recorder for half an hour and I stopped for a lunch break <smile>
I’d like to make it clear that there’s nothing special about this
recording and no precautions were taken.
The Olympus was in auto level mode and I didn’t fit a windscreen so
you’ll find that out for yourself I’m sure.
I explain what I’ve found out about the recorder thus far so enjoy
or not as the case may be.


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