Hi! What are these bsm 9 mics? I guess they’re really expensive in price. /A
> 13 maj 2020 kl. 00:51 skrev Georgina Joyce <[email protected]>: > > Hello Andy, > > The better way and professional way is to mic up each member of the band with > a mic that has the dynamic range of that sound source. So a mic for a > guitarist is different to that for a vocalist. If the band wanted you to make > a CD for them this is what you need to do. These mics would be cardioid polar > pattern. > > Right at the other end you have a covert recording where you would have a > smart phone or other recording device in your pocket and wear a tie pin > omnidirectional microphone. Such a recording will not include the close up > details as the above professional recording. > > Somewhere in the middle of those two extremes is where in the real every day > world that we live in. The disadvantage of the omnidirectional is that it > picks up everything, so in the pub situation someone puts a glass down on the > table and it is now a part of the music. I think every pub has a squeaky > door, so when someone goes to the toilet, those sounds become a part of the > music. It is not until we start recording we realise how much our mind > filters out. If we want to hear the band we unconsciously filter out the > noise made by the others in the audience. But the recorder does not filter > this out, if the mic hears it then it is heard on the recording. Which > actually can sound better than a studio recording because it has character. > > In answer to your question. I don’t know. It is for you to try different mics > in different situations so that you learn what you like. But you have said > that you want a big sound stage which means you want a omnidirectional. When > you have experienced the limitations of those mics you might want to narrow > the stage to get less of the unwanted noise and better subject matter. It is > only you who knows what you want to gain and how much you want to learn > against how much you just want to get the job done. We are not computers so > can’t be programmed to understand we need some experience to work from. You > have done a recording of a dawn chorus and it is up to you. Either to accept > that is how it is or think how can I make the next one different. > > Regards, >> On 12 May 2020, at 23:15, Andy via groups.io >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi again Georgina. >> >> I understand what you are saying about viewing a TV, in terms of sound. So >> I need to consentrate on an dinamic omnidirectional microphone, to get a >> wider picture? >> >> Funny though, for I'm also hoping to buy another set of BSM 9's Binaural >> clip on Microphones from America. These are fantastic microphones with a >> very good bridth of sound, particually when out and about in a city with all >> the traffic and street sounds. Is this type of microphone known as an >> omnidirectional microphone also? >> >> It seems to me that now I may know the type of microphone I need, I can >> forget all about other types of mics. >> >> It also sounds to me that, to record a five piece accustic band, at my >> local pubwho are normall about 15 ft away covering an area length of about >> 12 ft is achievable using such a microphone as would be recording bird calls >> some 25 Ft above my head, to the front, covering a distance of about 30 Ft. >> >> So tomorrow I'll look at the Accessable Youtube and search only for >> omnidirectional microphones? There will still be hundreds of varying models >> though. >> >> Need to be very mindful however about what you were saying about moisture, >> particularry when out early in the morning with a heavy morning duew. >> >> >> Very best wishes. >> >> Andy. >> >> Very best wishes. >> >> Andy. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom >> >> >> Hello Andy, >> >> If you were able to watch a television would you want to stand back and get >> the whole picture with reasonable detail. Then you want a omnidirectional >> microphone that you can protect from the weather. As some condenser mics are >> easily destroyed by moisture. So on that logic you are looking at a dynamic >> omnidirectional. The quality is dependent upon the size of your wallet. >> >> However, if you want more detailed image then you would get closer to the >> television and just focus upon a smaller area but at greater death and >> detail. The Shotguns would record birds in a small group of trees not one >> bird in a particular tree as others have suggested. The cardioid pattern is >> like imagining the mic has a funnel on the end of it. So the further from >> the mic the wider the spread. But never to its sides or back. Thus if you >> had a noisy road or farm machinery you could place the mic so those sources >> are behind the mic. >> >> It is fun to try different microphones and see what harvests your fields. If >> you do use a quiet dynamic microphone you might want to consider using a >> fethead so that you don’t have to crank up those pre-amps. They are really >> terrible on the H6. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 12 May 2020, at 18:33, Andy via groups.io >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> Getting more confused as the day goes on. >>> >>> The Road NT1 is a no-no as I normally listen to sounds in sterio - it's >>> just the way I am. Perhaps the NT1 is a fantastic Podcast microphone, but >>> just about everything that I'm keen on recording requires a degree of width, >>> >>> I'm totally not interested in recording a single bird, though I can see the >>> attraction if making a collection of birds inone country or area. >>> >>> Know, for a down chorus I'd be looking for a sterio outdoor microphone with >>> a wide spread. >>> >>> For example, here is a sample of my own International Dawn Chorus, recorded >>> at my farm on the 3 May, using the Zoom H6 with the clip on right angle >>> microphone. >>> >>> >>> Can you guess what is wrong with my recording? >>> >>> https://www.sendspace.com/file/ox1jos >>> >>> I have now purchased the newer Zoom F8n and wish a XLR sterio Microphone >>> with a very good Dead Cat because my place is about 300 feet above the >>> River Clyde, so is rather windy. - What do they use in Texas??? >>> >>> Hamit suggests that if the Nt1 is not for me, then perhaps I should look >>> at the NT4. So I looked it up in Accessable Youtube . >>> >>> It's about £600 and is a USB microphone, which I think would make it a good >>> podcasting microphone, for a home studio computer. >>> >>> So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment and need to give it a lote more >>> consideration. >>> >>> Perhaps I can find out what I'm looking for using the link: How to Record >>> Bird Songs and Calls - Nature Recording | Audubon, provided earlier today >>> by Gena. >>> >>> >>> >>> Very best wishes. >>> >>> Andy. >>> >>> >>> >>> for ----- >>> >>> >>> Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom >>> >>> >>> Hello John, >>> >>> Fare point, as Andrew had done some research and considered that a shotgun >>> might be the solution I thought he was wanting to focus upon one bird or >>> those birds in a small area. As I pointed out the pickup area is shown as a >>> heart shape. The number of channels does not express the polar pattern. If >>> Andrew wants to record a wide stage then that is an omnidirectional >>> microphone he requires. Not a stereo unless it is omnidirectional. Of >>> course, if andrew wants that binaural affect then again it is something >>> else. Thus there are plenty of options for Andy and many choices and it is >>> for him to decide what the end result is that he requires. i.e. What size >>> stage does Andy want? >>> >>> There is a youtube reviewer of microphones who dances around the >>> microphones so you can hear the extent of the pattern. >>> >>> Regards, >>>> On 12 May 2020, at 15:43, John Gurd via groups.io >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I had a look at the link. Most bird watchers want to focus-record an >>>> individual bird song sometimes out of many background songs. A dawn >>>> Chorus is all the birds in the area - not just a single bird. As Hamit >>>> suggests a stereo mike might be more likely to do this successfully. >>>> >>>> PS: last time I heard Andy was living in rural Scotland, so maybe not a >>>> big garden, but a lot of habitat. I know birds are territorial, but they >>>> tend to sing from adjoining gardens to, and I'm sure Andy isn't so >>>> possessive he only wants the birds singing in just his garden alone. >>>> You'll find a dawn chorus is just as big weather heard from a small garden >>>> or an estate for that very reason. 😉 >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce >>>> Sent: 12 May 2020 14:41 >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom >>>> >>>> Hello John, >>>> >>>> They don’t cut out sharply it’s usually shown as a heart shape tapering >>>> down to the point. Obviously, Andy has done some research and his post >>>> caused me to do so as I use a shotgun in the booth. Andy did not want >>>> ambient sound. He wanted to record bird song from his garden. Unless he >>>> lives in a huge estate it is not going to be that wide of a field. I found >>>> that bird watchers use a shotgun mic although this is with a camera. Even >>>> professional sound recordist uses a shotgun. See this: >>>> >>>> https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 12 May 2020, at 14:20, John Gurd via groups.io >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From what I've read a shot-gun mike is so directional that even being >>>>> off-target a little will result in poor quality sound. I doubt it would >>>>> be the best for ambient recordings. >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Georgina >>>>> Joyce >>>>> Sent: 11 May 2020 14:16 >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [all-audio] Microphones for Zoom >>>>> >>>>> Hello Andy, >>>>> >>>>> It is down to you and how much you want to spend. I follow the Booth >>>>> Junky who uses a shotgun microphone a lot. He uses the Sennheiser >>>>> MKH-416. I haven’t been able to afford one of those but I do have the >>>>> MKH-166 which I purchased used from eBay. I absolutely love it and is my >>>>> mic of choice. I think that would really do the job. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 11 May 2020, at 13:25, Andy via groups.io >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've got both the Zoom H6 and the F8n, but the only microphones I have >>>>>> are the 2 clip on ones that I origionally got with the H6. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm wanting to record the Dawn Chorus in my garden but don't have a clue >>>>>> as to which microphone , or best type, to buy and where to buy it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I need a directional Shot-gun microphone with a large Dead-Cat >>>>>> windscreen, and also about 3 meters of cable with the appropriate XLR >>>>>> plugs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone please give me some advice. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, My Zoom H6 is playing up. I think I've changed an inportant >>>>>> option within the menues. I tried recording bird calls and the >>>>>> recording was extremely poor. Is there perhaps a function within the H6 >>>>>> that Re-sets the device back to factory settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope you are all okay and enjoying this period of noise pelution >>>>>> silence to get very nice recordings. If so I'd love to here some >>>>>> samples. >>>>>> >>>>>> Very best wishes and please take care of yourselves. >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy Logue from Scotland. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gena >>>>> >>>>> Call: M0EBP >>>>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>>>> Loc: IO83PS >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Gena >>>> >>>> Call: M0EBP >>>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>>> Loc: IO83PS >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Gena >>> >>> Call: M0EBP >>> DMR ID: 2346259 >>> Loc: IO83PS >>> 73 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Gena >> >> Call: M0EBP >> DMR ID: 2346259 >> Loc: IO83PS >> 73 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Gena > > Call: M0EBP > DMR ID: 2346259 > Loc: IO83PS > 73 > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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