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------- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Aug 24 09:56:01 -0700 2006 ------- sorry if I've made you upset but there is no reason that my post on Tue Feb 10 11:00:30 -0700 2004 should be in the same Issue 366. That post was about regression analysis and curve fitting and not error bars. The fact that they were lumped together implies that they are the same thing when they are, in fact, not. Please see that post again and re-read it as I DID offer to help. I am not a great coder although I have coded in C, C++, Fortran, Pascal, and Basic but it has been a while. I do know regression analysis and statistics. You let me know what it is that you guys are lacking and if I can contribute then I will. I agree 100% with Daniel - I've STOPPED promoting this package because it really doesn't compare w/MS Office at all. Sure it has a few features that are really great and even better than MS Office but as a whole, it is still a decade behind. Now that 2007 is coming out, it'll fall even further behind. I still believe that the original implementation was vastly superior - 1 desktop that handles everything - and Sun made a mistake in wasting all those resources in splitting up the packages and beautification when it could have gone to added real features that were lacking. This clearly shows why Sun, as a company, hasn't done well in decades. Having 2 people working on this is ridiculous. to clarify your post on "So may be I am allowed to rant, too. Why do you guys think when you get a software for FREE and do NOTHING for it apart from ranting, that we should listen to you. We will implement this feature, when we finished chart2 and have the time for it. Period." --> Well, I know that I feel that my time is very valuable and I want to promote OO but when I waste considerable time on features that don't exist then it costs me money, if time=money. The money that is spent isn't only the money that is laid down for a package. I feel lied to when the promotions come out talking about how great OO is and I waste my time to download it and promote it only to find out little significant (to me) progress has been made. The fact remains that people value their time and wasting it upsets me. My reputation is on the line when I promote this package only to find out that there are still missing features. I want to help and promote it but I won't do that anymore because of the history of development and lack of features. So YEAH, I feel justified in bitching about it because OO has cost me considerable time, resources, and has affected my reputation with regards to this package. Not all things are measured in greenbacks that have been pulled from one's wallet and one could argue that the really important things aren't measured with greenbacks at all. BM, your efforts and the other person are greatly appreciated. My issue isn't with you but the fact that Sun isn't allocating their resources effectively on the issues that are critical. Sun should take this example into consideration, Buy MS OFfice for $100 (very easy to find price)- all features included and provided Person pays nothing for OO - cost $0 but spends at least 5 hours over the course of 4 yrs finding ways to do things such as, * creating good looking templates that already exist in MSO * doing proper plotting * productivity losses due to speed differences * exporting filtering issues * getting multimedia to play correctly in OOImpress (windows AND linux) * figuring out how to get things done in OO vs MSO At a cost of $20/hr (cheap, if you ask me) then the person would be better off with MSO because they would have saved time and NOT been frustrated. Now, consider that a 5 hr loss over 4 yrs is very conservative, I know that I've wasted that in a few months on OOImpress. Consider that $20/hr is pretty cheap her in the US and you'll see that OO has a very tough battle ahead of it. If there is any wonder why people aren't using it, just point the Sun executives to this example. I would be better off using MSOffice both for reasons of frustration and lost time/money. Based on this example, the only ones that would use OO are those that just cannot afford to lay out MSO or those that want to promote it at the expense of wasting their time (for whatever reason such as dislike of MSO and wanting to see a true competitor); well, I know I fall into the latter camp along with many of the posters here and we are walking away one after another because eventually we realize that the shine on OO has lost its luster. So unless Sun makes some changes real quickly then the ones that are using it but can afford it are going to walk away if they haven't already. It just isn't worth our time. Heck, I know that I'd even offer $$ if the package was anywhere near MSO but it isn't and I'm not about to give money to a company that doesn't heed the community. I've given considerable amount of money to opensource efforts such as PCLINUXOS, Mandrake, and Mozilla (among some) - much more than to MSO - but that is AFTER I got some value out of their product. I usually do it after 6 months of use or so and signs that they are developing in a direction that I agree with. I would imagine THAT is the reason that OO isn't seeing too much money and Mozilla has so much money that they don't know what to do with it all. Well, just wasted another 30 minutes on this posting. Heck, I bet I've wasted my 5 hours on this 1 issue alone. So now how is someone at Sun going to convince me to continue using this product? Because it's FREE? IT ISN'T! Not so long as people value their time on this Earth. Don't take it personal bm, the issue is larger than that and rests with the people leading Sun. So why have I singled Sun out and not OO developers? It's because the majority of OO developers are actually Sun employees. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
