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------- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Oct 22 06:37:24 +0000 2007 ------- As some users may have noted, work has started on this issue. I encourage everyone to review the specific wiki page and add useful comments/critiques/ideas to the wiki. (see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer/ToDo/Layout/Multi_Page_Layout) There is an ongoing discussion on the UX-mailing list about the implementation of this issue, see e.g. one of my posts there: http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=819 Basically, there are 2 main concepts/'use cases'. This adds to the complexity of this issue (and to a somewhat heated discussion on its implementation). Comments are surely welcomed, and also I may have missed some important use cases. Put simply, a single - and easy - spec is not enough. I invested some time in analysing this issue, I have myself some experience with more complex designs, and also searched around what people actually want. As already stated, there are basically 2 big concepts: B.) fit as many pages as possible per row (and in the extreme case, put ALL pages horizontally on a single row - as asked somewhere in this issue) This is what most usual/non-professional/(casual) users want and expect. This is also what other simple applications like *MS Word* and *NeoOffice* do! A.) 2 pages per row with facing pages adjacent This is what professional designers need! And this is indeed what professional applications do. [e.g. in Adobe Acrobat 7 and 8, the user can select: View -> 'Page Display' -> 'Two Up - Continuous' and the 2 pages will be shown adjacent to each other. - in Acrobat 8 one can choose: gap vs. NO-gap between pages - Acrobat 7: first page is displayed alone - Acrobat 8: there is an option to switch on/off the display of the first page as a single page: View -> 'Page Display' -> 'Show Cover Page During Two-Up' ] Well, OOo is not the best program around for professional designers, BUT this option could make the 'almost impossible things' still a little bit easier to do. This is also the situation, where NO intervening-space is relevant, as professional designers might want to align exactly some elements on both pages. > I'd vote for B. IMO we shouldn't keep both because they are > near-identical in function. Unfortuantely, they are quite different, as specified above. In an advanced setting, one wants to view only the facing pages side by side (and optimally with no space in between). So it makes sense to have both views. [Viewing more than 2 pages is distracting, zooms out too much rendering any work difficult and creates various other problems, like with the notes-functionality.] There are some significant problems with the following simple scenario: > Display as many pages as fit on the row. - this means, that at higher Zoom (needed to finely adjust elements on both pages), the next page will not necessarily fit on the same row - facing pages are NOT displayed adjacent anymore - a landscape page might not fit on the same row with the facing page and therefore break the facing pages order for all subsequent pages I therefore strongly support both options. We can later debate about the various zoom-possibilities, but in this stage I hope that everybody accepts that: i.) there are different use cases ii.) option A.) is used in professional settings, while B.) is probably warranted for simple uses The zero-space option between facing pages is intimately related to the B.) scenario ans is needed for greatest utility in professional settings. Please add any further comments to the wiki page. Sincerely, Leonard Mada --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
