Fwiw: if it doesn't go in now then it won't ever be in the certified base 
implementation so it might be worth querying if never having it is preferable. 
16.10 is the last certified base implementation. 

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Noah Harlan
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> On Oct 24, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Kevin Kane via Allseen-core 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> It’s an API change, which is no small thing. I think you have to argue the 
> need for it is compelling enough to allow it at this late point in the 
> release cycle.
>  
> From: George Tang [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:49 PM
> To: Kevin Kane <[email protected]>
> Cc: allseen-core <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: [Allseen-core] ER_PERMISSION_DENIED
>  
> I'm fine with this. Would this be a problem since it's a code freeze?
> 
>  
> On Oct 24, 2016 1:48 PM, "Kevin Kane" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ah, that’s a good point.
>  
> This may be an artifact of unit test code previously using bus attachments to 
> sign certificates and manifests as a convenient way to generate and use 
> public/private key pairs. The SecurityApplicationProxy methods are designed 
> to work with XML strings, but they require providing the signing key as a 
> parameter.
>  
> I think you’ve identified a gap in the API. Personally I think it’s poor 
> design for a security manager to use a bus attachment as a key container, but 
> the convenience of doing so (as opposed to implementing some external storage 
> method for keys) seems to be too compelling.
>  
> The solution could be to add overloads to C++ PermissionConfigurator’s 
> SignManifest method to allow it to operate on XML strings, the same way 
> SecurityApplicationProxy’s do, and then exposing those through to the Java 
> layer. We generally want to move to XML-using APIs. What do you think?
>  
>  
> From: George Tang [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:45 AM
> To: Kevin Kane <[email protected]>
> Cc: allseen-core <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Allseen-core] ER_PERMISSION_DENIED
>  
> I didn't expose this function to the Java side, because that would expose the 
> manifest datatype. There didn't seem to be a sign manifest for string. Is the 
> solution exposing a java one specifically with a string manifest parameter, 
> doing the conversions in the JNI layer, and returning a string?
>  
> I have taken a look a XmlManifestConverter, and I don't it is public, so I 
> don't think I would be able to use existing infrastructure to do this.
>  
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Kevin Kane <[email protected]> wrote:
> PermissionConfigurator also has a SignManifest method for this purpose.
>  
> From: George Tang [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:19 AM
> 
> To: Kevin Kane <[email protected]>
> Cc: allseen-core <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Allseen-core] ER_PERMISSION_DENIED
>  
> When the certificates are signed with the generated private key instead of by 
> PermissionConfigurator.sign from the bus attachment, calling claim will give 
> me an ER_INVALID_CERTIFICATE. 
>  
> Since CredentialAccessor isn't public, the security manager sample shouldn't 
> be able to get the bus private key either. I'm curious if the security 
> manager uses the bus's permission configurators to sign the certificate. and 
> how it gets the private key to sign the manifest.
>  
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Kevin Kane <[email protected]> wrote:
> The manifest needs to be signed with the same private key that signed the 
> certificate.
>  
> From: George Tang [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:20 AM
> 
> To: Kevin Kane <[email protected]>
> Cc: allseen-core <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Allseen-core] ER_PERMISSION_DENIED
>  
> After adding the SecureConnection call on the bus attachments, there is a 
> SendManifests call. However, another error before the reset 
> ER_PERMISSION_DENIED, manifest signature failed to verify. Since I am signing 
> the manifests with a generated private key and not the bus's private key from 
> credential accessor, are there any fields in the certificate that I need to 
> change to the generated public key? Do I need to sign the certificates with 
> the generated private key too instead of with the bus's permission 
> configurator? I have attached the new log.
>  
> Thanks,
> George
>  
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Kevin Kane <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is your test also calling SecureConnection(true) on the bus attachment after 
> Claim so that the ECDSA session is established? Otherwise the manager bus 
> will try to continue with the existing ECHDE_NULL session and the method 
> calls will fail.
>  
> From: George Tang [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 9:38 AM
> To: Kevin Kane <[email protected]>
> Cc: allseen-core <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Allseen-core] ER_PERMISSION_DENIED
>  
> Hi Kevin,
>  
> The logs contain a call to installMembership on the manager bus. Are there 
> any other reasons for not having a sendMemberships call? When writing these 
> tests I could not use credential accessor to get the guid of the bus to set 
> the IssuerCN, and I could not use it to get the bus privatekey to sign the 
> manifest. So I generated a random private key and a random guid instead.
>  
> Thanks,
> George
>  
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Kevin Kane <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don’t see any calls to SendMemberships in the trace. This suggests your 
> security manager bus attachment hasn’t been provisioned with an admin group 
> membership certificate, since later the PERMISSION_MGMT source shows the peer 
> does not match against the ACL for WITH_MEMBERSHP, which should match. Can 
> you make sure your setup generates and installs an admin group membership 
> certificate onto the bus attachment from which you make the Reset call?
>  
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George 
> Tang
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 9:09 PM
> To: allseen-core <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Allseen-core] ER_PERMISSION_DENIED
>  
> Hi all,
>  
> I am getting this error ER_PERMISSION_DENIED, when calling reset in Java. I 
> have a feeling that some value of CertificateX509 is not being set correctly, 
> but I don't know which value. I have the logs for a successful call to reset 
> from the core sample test SecurityClaimApplicationTest.cc (testlog). I also 
> have logs the call to reset from the Java bindings that fails (antlog). It 
> would be great if someone experienced in security and certificates could take 
> a look.
>  
> Thanks,
> George
>  
>  
>  
>  
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