On 2024-03-26 21:06, Andrew C Aitchison wrote:

Brian,

We share your frustration.

Sadly Google and Microsoft do not really wish to provide an IMAP service
- I don't think that Microsoft even provide an IMAP client for Windows any more.

Documenting how to set up either of the Microsoft mail services* is a
tedious and substantial piece of trial and error and our experience is
that it changes more frequently than we would like to repeat it.
Plus any existing settings - probably including some stored in the
web-browser - are likely to make the result different from a truly fresh
setup.

* Microsoft have two mail service with barely distinguishable names,
but if you ask their support for help for the wrong one there will
send you to the other one ...

Alpine follows the OAUTH2/XOAUTH2/OAUTHBEARER standards,
but they don't cover the whole process of getting and using tokens
to use Microsoft or Google (mail) services.

As a user, I avoid it by getting Gmail to forward my messages to
a sane email service and collect it from there.

Oh, IMAP is not insecure, but MS & G want you to use the same
authentication for all their services, ideally through a web-browser
and having two systems does present a bigger target,
especially if one is only used by a small number of people.
Given the effort they put into IMAP, they are probably correct
that using IMAP *to connect to their mail services* is less safe
than using their preferred connections.

I am sorry that I cannot give you more optimistic news.

With gmail there is another method which is what I do: set up an application password. Using that, it is plain imap, login and password for Alpine.

        "imap Ggl" {imap.gmail.com/ssl/[email protected]}INBOX,


--
Cheers / Saludos,

                Carlos E. R.
                (from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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