The NARGS Journal Archives Hi All,
The discussion around the NARGS Website and The Forum were (hopefully) helpful. I just want to make a couple of points to emphasize why using the website and visiting the Forum are important to you and to NARGS. First, as Mark has pointed out at least 20 times, you only need to register once, and then you only need to sign in once. ONCE each. That is most certainly not either time consuming or challenging, and is a total commitment of about 10 minutes. So do it. Second, the NARGS Journal is NOT archived on the website. You can certainly find the names of articles, and when they were published, but you cannot access them at this point in time. Hopefully we'll be scanning the entire run of Journals and making them available to NARGS members, so that THEN you'll be able to actually find and read articles published over the history of our organization. But that is still in the future. Third, if you have questions about anything related to our wide ranging hobby, use the Forum. For reasons that I neither understand nor accept, far too few NARGS (and non-NARGS) people use the Forum. And it's so easy to use, and so helpful. But until we get a much larger PARTICIPATING audience, it's usefulness is limited. So please take the time to go there, get registered, and participate. Peter George, Petersham, MA, US, and a reasonably active member of the Forum -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 6:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Alpine-l Digest, Vol 8, Issue 15 Send Alpine-l mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Alpine-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Archives and Bog Garden (Frances Howey) 2. Quarterly index (Alice Nicolson) 3. Re: Archives and bog garden (Bobby Ward) 4. Re: Alpine-l Digest, Vol 8, Issue 14 (Peter George) 5. Re: Archives and bog garden (Jane McGary) 6. Quarterly index (Mark McDonough) 7. Re: Archives and bog garden (Chris Klapwijk) 8. Archives and Bog Garden (Mark McDonough) 9. Archives and bog garden (Mark McDonough) 10. Re: Archives and Bog Garden (CLIFF BOOKER) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:00:40 -0400 From: "Frances Howey" <[email protected]> Subject: [Alpine-l] Archives and Bog Garden To: "Alpine-L, the Electronic Rock Garden Society; postings copyright by authors." <[email protected]> Message-ID: <C0772FCA1D694FD38B56D174C2DD7FED@owner6e> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Bill: There is more than one way to........ I went to Google and typed in Bog Gardens Fred Case and up came his wonderful article about Bog Gardens. Fran Frances Howey London, Ontario, Canada Zone 5b -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.science.uu.nl/pipermail/alpine-l/attachments/20110727/ebcd9d4 7/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:06:57 -0400 From: Alice Nicolson <[email protected]> Subject: [Alpine-l] Quarterly index To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes You have to log in to the NARGS site as a member to get to the menu that mentions the Quarterly. I agree it's a bit of a pain though. Adolescent growing pains, though! Alice Nicolson ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:07:26 -0400 From: Bobby Ward <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Alpine-l] Archives and bog garden To: "Alpine-L, the Electronic Rock Garden Society; postings copyright by authors." <[email protected]> Message-ID: <a06240805ca55af78d44e@[192.168.0.106]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Bill and others, Log on to the NARGS Web site and the Rock Garden Quarterly index is listed under "Quarterly Bulletins." Bobby Ward >Jane McGary wrote: > >> Kathleen, if you will look at the NARGS website, www.nargs.org, >> you'll find a cumulative index to the Rock Garden Quarterly. In the >> SUbject index, look up "bog gardens." At least two very detailed >> descriptions of how to create a bog garden were published there. One >> is by Frederick Case and would be appropriate for your climate, since >> he gardened in the upper Midwest in a cold-winter area. You can get a >> copy of the issue in which the article appeared from the Society (I'm >> not sure who is doing this these days but the website will tell you). > >Jane, > >I find no link to the Rock Garden Quarterly. am I blind? > >Bill Plummer >Painted Post NY > -- ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:55:24 -0400 From: "Peter George" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Alpine-l] Alpine-l Digest, Vol 8, Issue 14 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <001201cc4c64$d6ab68a0$840239e0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Several points. 1. I agree that I cannot find the 'link' that Jane states actually exists. So it's no surprise to me that you can't find it either. 2. You can change the website color format quite easily. There are several options, and the subject has been reviewed numerous times in the past when people complained about it. 3. There is nothing particularly complicated about the password process. You get one, you enter it once, and you're done. You do not have to enter it every time you get on the site. 4. The Forum is exceptionally easy to use. Take 15 minutes, FIFTEEN minutes, go to it, play around with it, and you'll never have a problem again. The entire problem with the website issue is that there are NARGS members who simply refuse to spend a few minutes to learn how to use it. It may no be the best site in the world, but it's quite straightforward to use, and once you get the password ONCE, the rest is no harder that going to any website. ANY website. Bill uses it quite well. So should you. Email me privately if you have any questions, and if you want, you can even call me and I'll take you through the process step by step. Peter -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 6:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Alpine-l Digest, Vol 8, Issue 14 Send Alpine-l mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Alpine-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Archives and bog garden (Bill Plummer) 2. Re: Archives and bog garden ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:43:19 -0400 From: "Bill Plummer" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Alpine-l] Archives and bog garden To: "Alpine-L, the Electronic Rock Garden Society; postings copyright by authors." <[email protected]> Message-ID: <DADDCEF2131C49D3AED733E55C09BFD2@billxkjgg01> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Jane McGary wrote: > Kathleen, if you will look at the NARGS website, www.nargs.org, > you'll find a cumulative index to the Rock Garden Quarterly. In the > SUbject index, look up "bog gardens." At least two very detailed > descriptions of how to create a bog garden were published there. One > is by Frederick Case and would be appropriate for your climate, since > he gardened in the upper Midwest in a cold-winter area. You can get a > copy of the issue in which the article appeared from the Society (I'm > not sure who is doing this these days but the website will tell you). Jane, I find no link to the Rock Garden Quarterly. am I blind? Bill Plummer Painted Post NY > Alpine-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:56:42 -0400 (EDT) From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Alpine-l] Archives and bog garden To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bill, I don't find it either, and when I tried to type in Rock Garden Quarterly in the search box, only Quarter would fit. When i went to the bottom of the page that popped up, I got editor which didn't give me anything. Such is why I never bother accessing this website. It is beautiful in spite of the grey and other hard to see fonts on black, but the password process, etc. are just too annoying and time consuming. Too bad, as the photography is truly spectacular. Just call me challenged and older...smile. Would it be possible that when someone wishes to send others to a notable website page, one could simply post a link or URL? Best, Marcia Brown Meigs In a message dated 7/26/2011 9:43:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Jane McGary wrote: > Kathleen, if you will look at the NARGS website, www.nargs.org, > you'll find a cumulative index to the Rock Garden Quarterly. In the > SUbject index, look up "bog gardens." At least two very detailed > descriptions of how to create a bog garden were published there. One > is by Frederick Case and would be appropriate for your climate, since > he gardened in the upper Midwest in a cold-winter area. You can get a > copy of the issue in which the article appeared from the Society (I'm > not sure who is doing this these days but the website will tell you). Jane, I find no link to the Rock Garden Quarterly. am I blind? Bill Plummer Painted Post NY > Alpine-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l _______________________________________________ Alpine-l mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.science.uu.nl/pipermail/alpine-l/attachments/20110726/739bfef 4/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Alpine-l mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l End of Alpine-l Digest, Vol 8, Issue 14 *************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:23:03 -0700 From: Jane McGary <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Alpine-l] Archives and bog garden To: "Alpine-L, the Electronic Rock Garden Society; postings copyright by authors." <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm sorry, I thought the index to the Quarterly would be up on the website by now. I should have checked. There was a problem with it initially in that I had used symbols that the webmaster at that time said would interfere with his search application, but then he said he could work around it, and I didn't follow up to make sure the project had progressed. There is a new webmaster for NARGS now, and perhaps she can put it on the website eventually. Anyway, I spent a couple of years preparing a large index (plant names, authors, subjects, and titles), and I have it here and can provide it on CD to anyone who needs it. It's in three Word documents, but the plant names one is too large to e-mail. Jane McGary former editor of the RGQ At 06:43 PM 7/26/2011, you wrote: >Jane McGary wrote: > > > Kathleen, if you will look at the NARGS website, www.nargs.org, > > you'll find a cumulative index to the Rock Garden Quarterly. In the > > SUbject index, look up "bog gardens." At least two very detailed > > descriptions of how to create a bog garden were published there. One > > is by Frederick Case and would be appropriate for your climate, since > > he gardened in the upper Midwest in a cold-winter area. You can get a > > copy of the issue in which the article appeared from the Society (I'm > > not sure who is doing this these days but the website will tell you). > >Jane, > >I find no link to the Rock Garden Quarterly. am I blind? > >Bill Plummer >Painted Post NY > > > Alpine-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l >_______________________________________________ >Alpine-l mailing list >[email protected] >http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ >Text inserted by Panda GP 2011: > > This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited > mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: > http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_4363&SPAM=true&path=C:\Documents%20and%20 Settings\Main\Local%20Settings\Application%20Data\Panda%20Security\Panda%20G lobal%20Protection%202011\AntiSpam >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:01:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark McDonough <[email protected]> Subject: [Alpine-l] Quarterly index To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Alice Nicolson taxonomy at verizon.net wrote: ---------------------------------------------------- > You have to log in to the NARGS site as a member to get to the menu > that mentions the Quarterly. I agree it's a bit of a pain though. > Adolescent growing pains, though! Hello everyone, Alice has it right, allow me to shed further light on where the NARGS online quarterly indices are located. If you are a NARGS Member, when you visit the NARGS website at http://www.nargs.org or simply http://nargs.org/ you may notice on the bottom left-hand side of the screen, there is a "NARGS Member login area". There is text stating "Only members have user accounts. Join NARGS to enjoy member privileges". If you know your NARGS Member login credentials, enter your loginname and password to login. After logging in, a new "menu block" appears on the left side of the screen labeled "User Menu". From that menu select "Quarterly Bulletins", then you'll see links for indices for the NARGS quarterly bulletins from 1943-2008 (65 years) listed by sorted categories: Plant Name Index, Subject Index, and Author-Title Index. What if you're a NARGS member but don't have a login to the website yet, or you've forgotten your loginname and password? Well, going back to the main nargs.org web site, back at the lower "NARGS Member login area", there is a "Forgot Login" link in case you've lost or forgotten your login credentials, and above it there is a link entitled "Requesting a web login", which gives information on how to get a login. If your're not currently a NARGS member, you can join to get access to member-only privileges. On this same informational page, it does let the visitor know that the NARGS Forum is open to "self-registration"; no need to be a NARGS member, it is open to all approved internet visitors that pass a forum-spam check (there are above 200 invalid nefarious spammer registration requests on NARGS Forum each day!, most of which get automatically denied via Forum automation that checks with Forum-Anti-Spam services). So, the information is there on the NARGS web site, a useful NARGS Member perk. I no longer depend on my various "cumulative indices" that have been published through the years, I tend to misplace them, this single online resource is my preferred reference now. By the way, I merely suppy the facts here as I understand them, I am not privy to the establishment or design of this resource. Mark McDonough Alpine-L list-owner [email protected] Massachusetts, USA ***send Alpine-l mail list posts to: [email protected] ***your Alpine-L account settings*** http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l ***Alpine-L archive message links*** http://mailman.science.uu.nl/pipermail/alpine-l/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/index.html ***Alpine-L AlpenPix photo uploads http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/temperate/?gal=alpenpix -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.science.uu.nl/pipermail/alpine-l/attachments/20110727/d607426 a/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:43:15 -0700 From: "Chris Klapwijk" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Alpine-l] Archives and bog garden To: "Alpine-L, the Electronic Rock Garden Society; postings copyright by authors." <[email protected]> Message-ID: <812EA19D7FD14F07A7551570D3CBB0A5@owner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" please be advised the current NARGS webmaster is a male by the name of Chris Klapwijk. Jane, please send me the index and I'll see what I can do with it. Chris Klapwijk NARGS webmaster ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane McGary" <[email protected]> To: "Alpine-L, the Electronic Rock Garden Society;postings copyright by authors." <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Alpine-l] Archives and bog garden I'm sorry, I thought the index to the Quarterly would be up on the website by now. I should have checked. There was a problem with it initially in that I had used symbols that the webmaster at that time said would interfere with his search application, but then he said he could work around it, and I didn't follow up to make sure the project had progressed. There is a new webmaster for NARGS now, and perhaps she can put it on the website eventually. Anyway, I spent a couple of years preparing a large index (plant names, authors, subjects, and titles), and I have it here and can provide it on CD to anyone who needs it. It's in three Word documents, but the plant names one is too large to e-mail. Jane McGary former editor of the RGQ ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 23:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark McDonough <[email protected]> Subject: [Alpine-l] Archives and Bog Garden To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Marcia Brown Meigs, Arisaemaq at aol.com Arisaemaq at aol.com wrote: > Such is why I never bother accessing this [NARGS] website. > It is beautiful in spite of the grey and other hard to see fonts on > black, but the password process, etc. are just too annoying and time > consuming. > Too bad. Too bad indeed as the benefits are being missed out on. I haven't actually needed to re-login and re-enter my credentials to NARGS Forum, nor our notable and most enjoyable sister SRGC Forum, in over a year and a half! Login once, then the browser can remember your login info. As a NARGS & SRGC forum user or website user, if you just close your browser window versus actually logging off, your login info remains current in perpetuity. If you've bookmarked the forum sites, or if you receive an automated email notification that a topic you're watching on the forum received a new post (which includes a direct link to the new post) just click the link and you're instantly transported to the forum (no login required), to the specific new message... there is no such thing as an "annoying and time consuming password process". On both NARGS Forum & SRGC forum, the default login option is, believe it or not, to login "forever"!!! If you don't believe me, check out this screen capture: http://www.plantbuzz.com/nargs/Log_in_NARGS_forever.jpg Really folks, I think you're making this stuff harder than it really is. Regards, Mark McDonough Alpine-L list-owner [email protected] Massachusetts, USA ***send Alpine-l mail list posts to: [email protected] ***your Alpine-L account settings*** http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l ***Alpine-L archive message links*** http://mailman.science.uu.nl/pipermail/alpine-l/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/index.html ***Alpine-L AlpenPix photo uploads http://botu07.bio.uu.nl/temperate/?gal=alpenpix -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.science.uu.nl/pipermail/alpine-l/attachments/20110727/4d23867 3/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 00:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark McDonough <[email protected]> Subject: [Alpine-l] Archives and bog garden To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Kathleen Swick, Swick_Kathleen at asdk12.org wrote: "I have been silently lurking on the AlpineL list for a lot years, enjoying the postings very much, esp in the days when there were monthly topics. What finally causes me to post is my frustration finding and searching the AlpineL archives. I vaguely remember a lot of chat being exchanged on this topic, but I wasn?t paying attention since I didn?t need to. As for the archives, the most recent list seems to be only searchable month by month, incredibly cumbersome and ineffective. When I try to find the old archives that had a search engine, I get a notice about the server being unfindable. What am I missing here?" > Kathleen Swick > Anchorage, Ak > Zone 3/4 variable ================== Hello Kathleen, Your inquiry is timely. I'm happy to summarize the Alpine-L activity that occurred near the end of 2010 and early 2011 regarding changes in the AlpineL List. Near the end of 2010, the fate of Alpine-L was uncertain, as the hosting entity for Alpine-L was discontinuing, and Alpine-L had to find a new server hosting location or be ended. Eric Gouda found a new location, so Alpine-L was moved to a new server in the Netherlands and Alpine-L survived from being decommissioned. Per a long standing plea for someone to manage the listserv, I volunteered. In Alpine-L's new home, it unfortunately does not have built-in "searchable archive" capabilities. Mail-list or "List-serv" technology originated in the early 1980s, ait's old, and much of the file format and archiving of messages is unfortunately proprietary; formats licensed and belonging to this or that organization, but no universal standard format, no standardized access to data that we enjoy in today's current technology. So, Alpine-L finally found a new home, but years of messages became non-serachable in that new home. With the advent of a new hosting location, I subscribed Alpine-L to something called "The Mail Archive", you can visit it by going to: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/index.html ...this link is always listed as part of my signature block. It has a good search function. This well-done interface allows fast searching on keywords, but will only search archives starting from when we first signed up with the service, near the beginning of January 2011. Searching on the word "bog" gives 10 results. It is not searching only month by month, but searches the entire "The Mail Archive" history of Alpine-L (which at this point in July 2011 is +7 months of history). What about the years of previous Alpine-L messages. Eric Gouda painstakingly copied all of the past archived messages to the new hosting server, unfortunately under the new hosting service, it does not automatically index and search legacy email archives using a non-standard proprietary format. I attempted to subscribe to a recommended service that indexes older archives (called MarkMail; no relation to me :-), and they accepted the request to index the backlog of old archive emails, but even after repeated email inquiries, they have not converted the archives to searchable "Markmail" standard format, and haven't answered the last email inquiries. So, at present, the decade or so of old Alpine-L archived email messages remains unsearchable, primarily because of their specialized proprietary file archive format used by the original Alpine-L. In today's technological world, of blogs and forums, the info is totally out there and universally accessible and searchable with Google, unfortunately not the case with older legacy formats and protective "proprietary" formats used in early Alpine-L days. I will continue to try with Markmail, or perhaps another 3rd-party service, to get the legacy Alpine-L archives indexed and searchable in a current-day format. Thus far the prospects have met dead ends. 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Kindest regards, Cliff ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Alpine-l mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l End of Alpine-l Digest, Vol 8, Issue 15 *************************************** _______________________________________________ Alpine-l mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.science.uu.nl/mailman/listinfo/alpine-l
