Bill Unruh wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jun 2006, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
>> Lee Revell wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2006-06-09 at 11:36 +1000, Claude Yu wrote:
>>>> Someone pls reply to my request.
>>>> My system unable to load snd-riptide even I have downloaded and
>>>> installed alsa-driver-1.0.11rc5.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why -rc5?  Why not just use ALSA 1.0.11?
>>>
>>> Also please don't post HTML to this list.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>>
>> An interesting observation Lee, considering that alsa is stuck at rc2 in
>> the fc5 repos.  Can you comment on the delay?
> 
> I think you would have to ask Fedora. It is probable that the distro uses
> rc2, and they do not update. They just fix bugs.
> 

And where obviously my opinion isn't worth a bucket of warm spit.  But 
IMO, when ALL major VoIP programs have trouble with full duplex, its a bug.

But I'm told to take my problems to the alsa list when I ask on the 
fedora list.  The alsa list claims its the apps, but the alsa 
performance is so poor that even the most recent VoIP release, twinkle, 
only 3 weeks old, is STILL USING OSS BECAUSE APPARENTLY those who 
subscribe to oss, DO have working systems.  Does that not tell the alsa 
people anything?

Its a classic case of the he said/she said pissing match.  Maybe TPTB 
ought to have themselves a game of rock, paper, scissors, with the loser 
finally admitting there is a problem?

I'd build and install 1.0.11 from the tarballs, but after it took me a 
year to get all the major bugs squished in FC2 by doing that, then I 
find that while my home FC2 system works very well indeed, the whole 
world says its hopelessly broken when I do ask about howto do something 
new on it.

You cannot, IMO, have your cake and eat it too.  If a package manager is 
to be used,  and its dependency rules adhered to, then as far as I'm 
concerned, those glaring problems found by the users of certain chipsets 
can damned well be fixed by the packagers IF the code to do so exists in 
the upstream tarballs.  However, finding out this information seems to 
require the employment of a good private detective agency or something 
equally unappetizing.

Or maybe I'm just tired, its now about 60 days of trying to make both 
this and NM work on a laptop I bought to get me away from the outrageous 
telephone costs of trying to get a job done just because its located in 
the upper peninsula of Michigan.

FWIW, skype AND the network both work rather well when this box is 
booted to XP, so it CAN BE DONE.  Unforch, windows gives me a rash I 
haven't found a skin cream to fix.

-- 
Cheers, Gene



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