On 22 Feb 2012, at 14:47, sreekanth madhavan wrote:
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> Richard Alimi
> (2) There are ways to do caching in HTTP for POST requests (e.g.,
> server can reply with an alternate location and the client does a GET
> on that location).
> 
> 
> [SK]
> HTTP based caching mechanisms cannot be used for subset of the content. In
> most cases ISPs change part of the network map information related to some
> of the PIDs.
> In the above case, ALTO clients ideally will be interested only in the
> changed information and it does not make sense to resend the whole
> information to the clients.

A notification mechanism doesn't help you with that problem though. What you 
need is a mechanism to provide incremental updates (i.e. only send the things 
that have changed), just being notified there is a change doesn't help with 
caching.

Ben

> 
> AFAIK, In the ALTO context, HTTP is similar to a transport mechanism. The
> validity of the map information is related to the ALTO layer and delegating
> this to the HTTP layer is probably not a good idea.
> 
> Regarding the redirect mechanism for POST which you have suggested, it
> involves additional messaging which can be avoided by the mechanism proposed
> in the draft.
> 
> (3) Reading through quickly, anyways, the notification scheme seems
> conceptually similar to that discussed in
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sun-alto-notification-02.  There was
> extensive discussion on the list for that document, so it may be worth
> reading through that (if you haven't already, of course).
> 
> [SK]
> Thanks for providing reference to sun-alto-notification draft. In our
> proposal the notification message carries the map information (only the
> changed) unlike the referred draft where the client needs to query again. 
> 
> Notification framework helps in fast propagation of information changes. In
> the recent developments in the working group, alto-next also proposes server
> notification mechanism.
> 
> Thanks again for submitting the draft,
> Rich
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:23 PM, sreekanth madhavan
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> We have submitted a new draft related to Alto caching and subscription. We
> felt that the existing HTTP based caching mechanisms are not suitable for
> caching Alto map information.
>> 
>> We also proposed a new mechanism for subscription and notification which
> we think will help reduce redundant traffic between alto nodes.
>> 
>> Your comments are highly welcome.
>> 
>> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-alto-caching-subscription-00.txt
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sreekanth Madhavan, on behalf of all authors
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:29 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
>> Subject: New Version Notification for
> draft-alto-caching-subscription-00.txt
>> 
>> A new version of I-D, draft-alto-caching-subscription-00.txt has been
> successfully submitted by Sreekanth Madhavan and posted to the IETF
> repository.
>> 
>> Filename:        draft-alto-caching-subscription
>> Revision:        00
>> Title:           ALTO Caching and Subscription
>> Creation date:   2012-02-22
>> WG ID:           Individual Submission
>> Number of pages: 19
>> 
>> Abstract:
>>   The specification of the ALTO protocol uses map based approaches
>>   assuming that the information provided is static for a longer period
>>   of time.  But in some cases network operators reallocate IP subnets
>>   from time to time which in turn changes the mapping partitions[I-
>>   D.ietf-alto-deployments].  Since the ALTO clients are unaware of the
>>   map information changes, clients need to query the servers for every
>>   service request and many such requests are redundant because the
>>   information was not changed.  The purpose of this memo is to provide
>>   two mechanisms which will help the ALTO clients to be informed of the
>>   map information changes. a) ALTO clients cache the map information
>>   and the servers provide the expiration time for invalidation. b) ALTO
>>   clients can subscribe for event notifications from the server
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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