I always thought the relationship of ALTO to SDN was to be one of perhaps 
multiple topological information sources.  In short, I don't see ALTO on top of 
SDN, I see it as a plug-in module under the category of topology.

/jumpingontosoapbox

SDN decisions aren't made in a vacuum 8^), so any SDN-like broker needs 
information on how to get from here (client or client by proxy of some querying 
service) to there (service).  The extensions to ALTO that make it preferential 
as such a tool are those that make it more dynamic (partial updates, push) and 
the separation of cost from something harder to manipulate (or that you don't 
want to manipulate, like IGP metric) …and maybe even express something like … 
policy.

Where I see there being a pending collision is when a tool like ALTO expresses 
multiple sub-services of an overall SDN solution (like topology and policy) 
…and how we account for that in SDNP.  Because the challenge of SDNP is to see 
ALTO, OF, PCEP, BGP-TE, overlays (NOV3 for example) …as tools (some of them 
interchangeable) used to describe a service to some application through a 
northbound API.

What SDN needs is a standardized interface for representing topology amongst 
the many candidates (there's at least one other source I can think of off the 
top of my head … BGP-TE …and of course, static maps) that allows for varying 
richness in functionality.

/jumpingoffsoapbox

From: Ping Pan <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 05:04:37 -0700
To: ZongNing <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, "Vijay K. Gurbani" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, 
"[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, 
Spencer Dawkins <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, 
Tina TSOU <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: [altoext] [alto] i2aex BOF - SDN Use Case

Concur.

ALTO is currently used in support of P2P and CDN operation. It has the 
functionality to query the network topological data. However that's where the 
similarity with SDN ends. Running them together, how are they inter-related?

Also you have brought up the concept of SDN Domains. What are they? Who owns 
them? Why do we need them? For scaling? For admin? If for scaling, SDN 
controller intrinsically has no scaling problem per sa. For admin, SDN is to 
offer an overlay architecture on top of the network with a uniformed view from 
application perspective, which is opposite of having some sort of peering 
models. Please elaborate your thoughts.

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:52 PM, ZongNing 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi, Tina,

Very interesting topic! One comment after a quick review:
In page 5 in the slides, it seems that you prefer to put ALTO on top of SDN 
controller. I am wondering if the primary goal of ALTO-SDN is for better SDN 
control or better ALTO service?
If the goal is for better SDN, then how ALTO could help SDN? Receive 
information from SDN controller, then combine with other ALTO information and 
feedback to SDN?
Also in page 5, I don't understand why the data are forwarded from SDN to ALTO?
Would you please elaborate this? Thanks.

-Ning
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TSOU [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:14 AM
To: Vijay K. Gurbani; Spencer Dawkins
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [altoext] i2aex BOF - SDN Use Case

Attached are the updated slides after some discussion with chairs. Thank you.
C u soon in Paris.

Tina


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On
> Behalf Of Tina TSOU
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:34 PM
> To: Vijay K. Gurbani; Spencer Dawkins
> Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; 
> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
> Subject: [altoext] i2aex BOF - SDN Use Case
>
> Dear i2aex BoF chairs,
> Attached please find slides for
>
> Infrastructure to Application Exposure (I2AEX) Use Case
>
>  - Software Define/Driven Networking (SDN)
>
>
> Comments are welcome.
>
>
> Tina
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