Great !!  Let’s fix the sentence in the next version as we address remaining 
IESG comments.

Thanks a lot!

Richard

On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:45 PM, Wendy Roome <[email protected]> wrote:

> That’s perfect!!
> 
> I’m glad to hear that you also thought we’d agreed on #2. For a while I was 
> afraid that I’d had a major “senior moment".
> 
>       - Wendy
> 
> From: "Y. Richard Yang" <[email protected]>
> Date: Tue, February 25, 2014 at 15:38
> To: Wendy Roome <[email protected]>
> Cc: IETF ALTO <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [alto] Ambiguity in ALTO draft 25
> 
> Wendy,
> 
> Thanks for clarifying the alternatives. I also thought that we agreed on #2, 
> and the sentence at 11.5.1.5 is a left over. I think a clean, simple change 
> is #2: "ECS MUST NOT use a Network or Cost Map. Hence, the ECS cost is the 
> cost from the source to destination endpoint. A future extension may allow 
> ECS to state that it “uses” a Network Map. The extension then will need to 
> define the semantics.” Does this work for you?
> 
> Richard
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Wendy Roome <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Richard,
>> 
>> I don’t like that language — it’s too wishy-washy. If an ECS can “use” a 
>> Network Map, we need to spell out what that means.
>> 
>> So I support either of two alternatives.  
>> 
>> (1) Say that an ECS MAY “use” a Network Map, and spell out what that means. 
>> E..g., if an ECS “uses” a Network Map, then that ECS is equivalent to a 
>> Filtered Cost Map resource on that Network Map, using the PIDs of the source 
>> and destination endpoint addresses. This means the client can assume the ECS 
>> will return the same cost for any endpoint in the source PID to any endpoint 
>> in the destination PID (modulo cost updates).
>> 
>> If an ECS does not “use” a Network Map, then the client can make no 
>> assumptions about how the ECS costs relate to the costs for any PIDs or 
>> endpoints.
>> 
>> (2) Say that ECS MUST NOT “use” a Network or Cost Map. The ECS cost is the 
>> cost from the source to destination endpoint; the client cannot draw any 
>> conclusions about costs for PIDs or other endpoints.
>> 
>> BTW, I thought we’d agreed on #2, until a colleague pointed out that 
>> 11.5.1.5 says an ECS can use a map.
>> 
>>      - Wendy Roome
>> 
>> From: "Y. Richard Yang" <[email protected]>
>> Date: Tue, February 25, 2014 at 10:52
>> To: Wendy Roome <[email protected]>
>> Cc: IETF ALTO <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [alto] Ambiguity in ALTO draft 25
>> 
>> Hi Wendy,
>> 
>> Good discussion. I believe that the previous conclusion is that ECS does not 
>> reveal any dependency. Hence, a simple change will be the last sentence:
>> 
>> "...However, to preserve flexibility, there is no need for the ECS resource 
>> to declare the network map and/or cost map on which it depends."
>> 
>> How does this sound?
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
> 

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