I don't know much about PostgresQL, but on MS SQL server and Oracle (IIRC),
any update that would leave the database inconsistent should be inside a
transaction. Any snapshot will not happen while a transaction is in
progress; therefore the snapshot is consistent and restorable. I guess it
depends on how sane your programmers are. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Niall O Broin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 11:32 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Backing up PostgreSQL?
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 10:29:33PM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> 
> > I would re-do the backup steps as
> > 
> > 1) Make a snapshot
> > 2) Use dump to back up that completely static filesystem image
> > 3) Remove the snapshot
> 
> This is NOT guaranteed to work - it may, if you're lucky. By 
> doing this
> you're guaranteeing that the database files, no matter how active the
> database, are frozen in time via the snapshot. But the big 
> issue that you're
> failing to address here is that any one point in time the 
> database files are
> not internally consistent. The currently running database 
> instance has a
> consistent view of the data because it has data in memory and 
> on disk and of
> course it knows what's where. This is why there are programs 
> such as pgdump
> etc. One means suggested to backup a database which can't be 
> stopped is to
> have your database files on a mirrored disk pair (or pairs). 
> Then to make a
> backup, you issue read locks on all the tables. Having got 
> those locks, you
> break the disk mirror at an OS level, then relinquish the locks. 
> 
> Then you backup the broken part of the mirror which is not in 
> use. I think
> you could do something similar with a snapshot supporting 
> filesystem. You
> lock all the tables, then make a snapshot, then relinquish 
> the locks. And
> you should then be able to backup a consistent view of the 
> tables from the
> snapshot.
> 
> The above, however, is entirely speculation and I haven't 
> tried it. But even
> as speculation, it's more likely to work than simply backing 
> up a snapshot.
> Bear in mind that the snapshot may often work but it won't 
> always and your
> backup system should cover every eventuality.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Niall  O Broin
> 

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