I am getting stuck with e-mail mostly coming from outside the US, mostly Europe 
(mailing lists)

I am getting this message when I query the mailq in postfix

(host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 451 4.5.0 id=04163-02 - Temporary MTA failure 
on relaying, from 
MTA(smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10026): No resp. to data-dot (in reply to end of DATA 
command)
first.last AT btspuhler DOT com
This is when the e-mail should get re-injected from amavis into postfix
Googeling for this leads to amavis not recognizing some non ascii characters.
In some listings it is said to be a Perl bug. But those are a few years old, 
incl older Perl 
versions.
I have:
perl-5.16.3
amavisd-new-2.8.0

Attached is one of those e-mails I pulled out of 
/var/spool/postfix/deferred/568B781CF9


-- 
Best regards
Thomas Spuhler
CO           3564             752               1               0            
3564T1379200703 
342208Acreate_time=1379200704Lsmtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024Alog_ident=568B781CF9Arewrite_context=remoteS[email protected]
encoding=8bitA!log_client_name=alamut.mageia.orgA!log_client_address=212.85.158.146Alog_client_port=53571A4log_message_origin=alamut.mageia.org[212.85.158.146]Alog_helo_name=alamut.mageia.orgAlog_protocol_name=ESMTPAclient_name=alamut.mageia.orgA%reverse_client_name=alamut.mageia.orgAclient_address=212.85.158.146Aclient_port=53571Ahelo_name=alamut.mageia.orgAprotocol_name=ESMTPAclient_address_type=2A1dsn_orig_rcpt=rfc822;[email protected][email protected][email protected]NEReceived:
 from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org [212.85.158.146])N<   by 
aargau.btspuhler.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 568B781CF9NJ   for 
<[email protected]>; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 16:18:23 -0700 
(MST)N9Received: by alamut.mageia.org (Postfix, from userid 486)N6  id 
725194B270; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 01:18:21 +0200 (CEST)N0Received: from localhost 
(localhost [127.0.0.1])N8       by alamut.mageia.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 
8E7AE4B261N@       for <[email protected]>; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 01:18:11 +0200 
(CEST)N*X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mageia.orgN.Received: from 
alamut.mageia.org ([127.0.0.1])NG  by localhost (alamut.mageia.org [127.0.0.1]) 
(amavisd-new, port 10025)N4        with ESMTP id Bee7GhU+DZwQ for 
<[email protected]>;N'  Sun, 15 Sep 2013 01:18:10 +0200 (CEST)N>Received: from 
plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3])N8        by alamut.mageia.org 
(Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D8B4B25CN@       for <[email protected]>; Sun, 15 
Sep 2013 01:18:10 +0200 (CEST)N=Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with 
local (Exim 4.69)N.       (envelope-from <[email protected]>)N id 
1VKz6P-0000e4-HTN7   for [email protected]; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 01:18:09 
+0200N:Received: from cable-85.28.86.7.coditel.net ([85.28.86.7])N:        by 
main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))N        id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00N@  
      for <[email protected]>; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 01:18:09 +0200NWReceived: from 
dirteat by cable-85.28.86.7.coditel.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian))N      
  id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00N@        for <[email protected]>; Sun, 15 Sep 2013 
01:18:09 +0200N'X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/NTo: 
[email protected]!From: eatdirt <[email protected]>N%Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 
01:17:58 +0200N    Lines: 22N(Message-ID: 
<[email protected]>N)References: 
<[email protected]>NMime-Version: 1.0N;Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedNContent-Transfer-Encoding: 
8bitN%X-Complaints-To: [email protected]: 
cable-85.28.86.7.coditel.netNVUser-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; 
rv:17.0) Gecko/20130805 Thunderbird/17.0.8N*In-Reply-To: 
<[email protected]>NSubject: [dev] Re: TeXLive newsNReply-To: 
[email protected]X-Loop: [email protected]X-Sequence: 4635N"Errors-to: 
[email protected]Precedence: listNPrecedence: bulkN!Sender: 
[email protected]X-no-archive: yesNList-Id: 
<dev.ml.mageia.org>N4List-Help: 
<mailto:[email protected]?subject=help>NDList-Subscribe: 
<mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe%20dev>NHList-Unsubscribe: 
<mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe%20dev>N%List-Post: 
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<https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/dev>NN.On 13/09/13 00:57, Pierre-Malo Deni�lou 
wrote:NNI> In a nutshell, I have followed a different way from Fedora (1 spec 
fileNI> of 340,000 lines which produces over 4000 rpms) and Mandriva (4000 
specN=> files), by having one spec files which produces 3 packages:NH> - 
texlive-collection-basic is a quite minimal set of TeXLive tools andNH> 
packages. It takes its name from one of the official TeXLive groups ofN> 
packages.NI> - texlive-fontsextra is a set of extra fonts that should only be 
neededN> by heavy TeX users.NG> - texlive-dist is everything else (was part of 
texlive-texmf before).N>NN Thanks for that and good choice!NNFI tested the 
mandriva ways and it broke texlive by pulling apart some N/internal 
dependencies, for fedora I don't know.NNII'll let you know if I find any 
issues as I use laTeX on a regular basis!NNcheers,Nchris.NXA
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