On 2016.02.01 02.32, @lbutlr wrote:

On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:49 PM, [email protected] wrote:


On Jan 31, 2016, at 23.07, @lbutlr <[email protected]> wrote:

I get daily mails from wordpress verifying backups and these are
all tagged as spam (at a very high score in the 7-13 range).

How do I train amavis? Do i just run  normal sa-learn as root? As
the user? as the scan user?

you don't train amavis.  you train spamassassin.  they are two
different pieces of software, which work well together.  while
training spamassassin is good to do regardless of if you are having
a problem or not, blindly training it to solve a specific problem
is not a sensible approach.

I ma not blindling trainmen it. i wam training false positives as
ham.

What I need to know is what user to train them as so that amavis will
use the bases database that I am training to.

They all hit BAYES_99 and BAYES_999, some hit other rules as well.

X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=10.2 required=5.0
tests=BAYES_99,BAYES_999,
HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NO_RELAYS,TVD_SPACE_RATIO,TVD_SPACE_RATIO_MINFP
 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1


instead, look at the *actual* scoring the message was given
[X-Spam-Status header], and see which rule[s] are the ones which
significantly contributed to the score.

Yes, that’s what I’ve done.

then you can determine the right way to solve the problem.

Training falsely classified mail is *always* a good idea.

The question still remains, do I train SA as root, as the user (which
is a problem for most of the users since they are virtual users in a
database) or as the vscan user?

That is to say:

sa-learn -u *WHAT* --ham /path/to/ham

you must train the database that is used during message evaluation. that is to say, whatever using is running amavis - their spamassassin bayes_path setting. this may be undefined, in which case it is the default of ~/.spamassassin/bayes, it may defined in the global spamassassin config, or it may be defined in
the amavis user's spamassassin config [e.g. ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs].

see https://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.4.x/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html for further detail on bayes_path

once you have identified this detail, the simplest way may be to just run sa-learn as the user running amavis - but as with anything, there are numerous methods, and the one which best fits your conditions can vary greatly. all that matters is that the database files which are worked on are the ones amavis uses when running spamassassin.

for reference, i use the follow setting for spamassassin, which i find helpful in keeping clear the files which make up the db and keeping them organized/separated from other spamassassin files:

/etc/spamassassin/99_local-config.cf:
# note: the value specified here is *not* a directory.  it is
# a directory plus a prefix used in the names of the various
# files that comprise the entirety of the bayes database
bayes_path                              ~/.spamassassin/bayes_db/bayes

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