Can you show the headers for one of these files or provide a link to a file in 
svn so we have something specific to talk about?

"we" can add the normal apache header before existing copyrights.  I thought 
this made RAT happy but haven't tried it recently.

I think it's usually possible to move copyright statements to the NOTICE file.  
For instance the geronimo web console NOTICE includes:
-------
Portions of the Web Console were orginally developed by
International Business Machines Corporation and are
licensed to the Apache Software Foundation under the
"Software Grant and Corporate Contribution License Agreement",
informally known as the "IBM Console CLA".
-------

It's still better if someone authorized by the copyright owner (e.g. an 
employee) moves the copyright notice.  Asking a specific question on 
legal-discuss would be appropriate.

hope this helps

david jencks



On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:53 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote:

> Just as a side note: the RAT wouldn't allow us making a release with
> current headers, so I am really in trouble how to fix that legal
> issue.
> I need to speak with someone from legal@
> -Simo
> 
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
> http://www.99soft.org/
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Pid <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/01/2012 20:10, Simone Tripodi wrote:
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> thanks for your feddbacks, that shows our lack of legal knowledge (ans
>>> legal language as well :P).
>>> 
>>> Anyway, what I was pointing, is that code inside Amber contains
>>> copyrightsowned by an external entity, not the authors neither the
>>> ASF.
>>> 
>>> So, I'll take your suggestion to submit that case to our legal office,
>>> in order to avoid any misunderstanding.
>> 
>> Perhaps you could confirm whether it is normal to move the copyright to
>> the NOTICE file?  (I had that impression, perhaps incorrectly).
>> 
>> There is also the inconsistent use of the @author javadoc notation and
>> SVN variables - what is the lists opinion about how this should be handled?
>> 
>> 
>> p
>> 
>> 
>>> Have a nice day, all the best,
>>> -Simo
>>> 
>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
>>> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
>>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:51 PM, David Jencks <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I don't think this is accurate.
>>>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 6:32 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> this mail just to discuss that code donated and imported to the ASF
>>>>> repository is copyrighted (and trademarked!) only by the Apache
>>>>> Software Foundation, so no other copyright/license/trademark can be
>>>>> applied.
>>>> 
>>>> This is definitely wrong.  The original author(s) retain copyright to 
>>>> their work.  By contributing it to an apache project they _license_ it to 
>>>> apache.  Apache has a copyright over the aggregated work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You committers, indeed, in order to contribute to Apache Amber, signed
>>>>> a CLA that assign all rights under the Apache License so that nobody
>>>>> can make a claim afterwards anything for their contributions.
>>>> 
>>>> The cla indicates that you are licensing your contributions to apache, but 
>>>> you retain copyright over your work.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> So please join me on replacing all contributed code with wrong headers
>>>>> with the ASF one, otherwise we cannot release Amber at all.
>>>> 
>>>> My impression is that the original contributors need to be the ones to 
>>>> remove other license/copyright/notice legal information.  It would be best 
>>>> to ask on legal-discuss before making any such changes.
>>>> 
>>>> thanks
>>>> david jencks
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you very much in advance, all the best!
>>>>> -Simo
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>>>> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
>>>>> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
>>>>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> [key:62590808]
>> 

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