Bev,

Playing devils advocate is always a dangerous game.

If we follow your line of reasoning, you are basically saying that because
you don't have any personal interest in the CCA (i.e. you get nothing out of
it for yourself) you don't care?

As an artist (and member of the human race) do you not feel any sense of
collective social responsibility? Or are you just perpetuating the common
perception of the artist as selfish and egotistical individual.  The artist
says "look at me!", look what i can do!" not "what can I do for you?", "how
can we help each other out of this mess?".  Anyway..that is another matter
and one for future fireside chats.

So lets get back to the CCA

In the first instance : I don't think it is unreasonable to expect some sort
of ethical standards from 'cultural' organisations (i.e. organisations that
purport to enrich the culture of a city or country for everyone regarldess
of age/colour/sex). What if the BNP or Conservative Party wanted to rent out
the CCA?

Secondly :  I think this issue is about collective responsibility. Chris
Byrne said that we are all culpable in a way and that is true. We are all
connected by a common bond. We all rub shoulders on this planet and the
person who served coffee to the MOD bods at the CCA is just as guilty as the
airman who drops the bomb. The same way if we buy Nike trainers we are
guilty of supporting child labour in Asia

Also I think this issue has provoked such debate as most of us have a deep
disdain for the activities of the MOD. Ultimately the MOD is a death
industry. Somewhere down the line innocent people will die or be maimed from
decisions that were made at the CCA. Whether this is in Iraq, Israel or in
Africa (Britain exports 60 millions pounds of arms to Africa every year).

How do to change things? I think it can be done incrementally by what
Proudhon called 'propaganda by deed'. His analogy was that change comes not
like a violent revolution which akin to a volcano explodes with great force
and then dies quickly, but like the waters of an underground lake that
slowly seeps through porous rock to flood the surface.

So, I think an open letter or some sort of public debate is a good step
forward.

Just some thoughts

"Don't forget the little criminals, so  they  change sides and pretend
nothing ever happened" - slogan of the White Rose (anti Nazi movement)

Klaus Oldanburg

----- Original Message -----
From: Beverley Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: <ambit> dinnertime


> So it seems that the cca has conference facilities, which they let out for
> private events and this is aparently unrestricted (but perhaps there are
> organisations which they would not hire out to...who I wonder?).
>
> I must say I was surprised to hear that the MOD was holding a conference
at
> the cca but if the hire of rooms is unrestricted then why not, anyone can
> use it. Is the point here that the cca should be restricting the use of
> their conference spaces?

In my naivity I would have imagined these spaces
> were created for and used by Cultural bodies/organisations, which I'm sure
> they are to some extent but obviously not exclusively.
>
> I guess this is the case of a fancy re-vamped arts space which cannot be
> maintained (financially) by it's main agenda to be a site of cultural
> activity and therefore has other avenues to bring in revenue.
>
> In the end though I feel less idealistic about the cca and all other art
> institutions than others obviously do on the list. For example I don't
have
> any control over their art programme, nor does it necessarily reflect my
> practice or interests, so why would I expect any over the way they rent
> their spaces to private organisations.
>
> Being a bit of a devil's advocate...
> Bev
>


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