I was
trying to get a handle on the list chat earlier being a new member and all
.......what about the list of staff that have come and gone in such a short time
frame? . When will the very obvious turn over of staff at
cca be investigated by SAC or City Council....perhaps ambit should take it on
board. Perhaps through an exercise like this you would learn the common
denominator to all cca problems.
patricia....sorry to get off the MOD/CCA discussion it is fascinating and
what was the dinner all about?
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Subject: <ambit> lost & found list>From: mark lawton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject:the MOD/CCA discussion was the first time that i thought that the ambit-list had matured and got something to say other than telling each other about our openings/exhibitons/on-line performances etc (which can be important too) or discuss out of the blue monthly topics, people dicussed with passion. even chris+ bev's (mum+dad: "hey kids don't get personal ") interventions didn't stop it.
so i look forward to more. it might even get me started - being one of the quiet ambit backbenchers.
holger
the lost point >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:02:54 +0100 > >hi chris >i don't really want to get into a you said-he said-we said loop but >i'm afraid i must respond once more > >>>first of all could you show me when any of the discussions >>>inspired more than a handful of respondents/participants >> >>Number of postings to during October (to date) = 107 >>Number of postings to during September = 30 > >this misses the point i was responding to - i meant more than the >'tiny minority' you wrote of, not the actual number of postings >although surely the large number of postings hints at healthiness >not at problematic > >>>are you really saying that those who have clearly defined opinions >>>should temper the expression of them so as not to upset the >>>fragile or un(in)formed opinions of others ? >> >>No, I think that's what you're saying. Whose opinions do you think >>are ill-or un(in)formed? Just because an opinion is strongly held >>does not necessarily imply that it is well-informed or >>representative. >> >eh?! - never mentioned ill-informed and nor have i ever claim to be >representative; these are my thoughts on the matter which it appears >are shared by some other people > >and, before gair brought this matter to the attention of the group >we were all uninformed were we not > >>>seems to me that what you're saying has the whiff of censorship >>>about it, and the most damaging form of all, that of >>>self-censorship >>> >>>totally outrageous >> >>It seems to me this is paranoia on your part. This list is no more >>censored than a meeting in a pub. Unfortunately when opinions in a >>meeting become polarised and discussion heated, it discourages >>others from talking. > >again i never said that you practised such but i took your original >point to mean that strong opinions were somehow intimidating others >not to express themselves and so i and others should tone it down a >bit - which ultimately would amount to self-censorship would it not >? > >> >>I'm sure you believe you are right in your opinions. I happen to >>disagree with some of your opinions and the way you are expressing >>them. For you to complain of censorship is ridiculous. > >that you disagree with my views is fine, though you have yet to >express this openly, but the way i am expressing my views is by >writing to a discussion list/group in the hope of inspiring dialogue >- what other way do you suggest i should do it ? > >as i wrote to torsten previously... ' i really hope more have more >to say - yea or nae' - by which i meant via dialogue and debate, a >lamentably neglected art > >peace > >mark > >------------------------------------------------- >a m b i t : networking media arts in scotland >post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >archive: http://www.mediascot.org/ambit >info: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >and write "info ambit" in the message body >-------------------------------------------------
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