On 04/01 11:30, Erich Wälde wrote:
> Hello Meino,
> 
> tu...@posteo.de writes:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Before I install a lot of software on my GENTOO-Linux only
> > to recognize I had done the wrong assumptions I would like
> > ask, whether I have the needed prerequisites for AmForth:
> >
> > I am running a 64bit-GENTOO Linux and I am quite familiar with
> > Linux.
> > I want to run AmForth on a Arduino Pro Mini Atmega328p/3.3V.
> > With my USB-to-serial adapter I flash my ProMinis with the
> > Arduino-IDE successfully.
> 
> Please note: "programming" an Arduino uses a bootloader flashed
> to the arduino controller before it is shipped. This bootloader
> is unfortunately not compatible with amforth. To flash amforth
> to your arduino you *must* have a proper programmer. There are
> many different ones available. I have successfully used several
> including this one: mySmartUSB light by www.myAVR.de. With this
> programmer you are able to reinstall the arduino bootloader as
> well.
> 
> > I am a AmForth-newbie.
> > I am a Wine-newbie.
> >
> > Do I need to install the 32bit-version or the 64bit-version of
> > wine?
> 
> AvrAssembler2 ist a 32 bit executable. Looking at my Debian I
> have installed
> . wine
> . wine-binfmt
> . wine32:i386
> . wine32-preloader:i386
> . wine64
> in other words, the multiarch system is used to enable :i386
> (==32 bit) packages, wine and wine32:i386 are installed. Then
> this should work. Be sure to search for corresponding
> instructions on gentoo.
> 
> > Do I need to install wine at all -- can I use a different software
> > to assemble things (I would prefer this way even it would imply more
> > work) ?
> 
> There is "avra" at http://avra.sourceforge.net. A long time ago
> I was able to assemble amforth with avra as well (amforth
> versions 4.2 .. 4.6 maybe). However: I had to patch avra to make
> it output the correct hex file for my beloved 644p. And some of
> the assembly directives did not work (.overlay may be, but not
> sure). Very unfortunately avra seems to be abandoned. So I
> personally have given in to use wine+AvrAssembler2.
> 
> It would, of course, be very exciting, if someone would pick up
> the leftovers of avra. I would definitely help by using it. And
> I'm sure, I'm not the only one waiting for a motivated developer
> to move on. As mentioned, I have looked at the sources. It looks
> doable, but I have dedicated my time to other things.
> 
> Maybe interesting to note: since wine+AvrAssembler2 is working,
> it gives a prospective maintainer of avra a possibility to
> check, whatever changes were made do not break the output. In
> the end avra should be able to produce identical output.
> 
> Another route could be to shape up naken_asm. Note that the
> msp430 Version of amforth ist build using naken_asm
> (http://www.mikekohn.net/micro/naken_asm.php)
> I'm not in a position to judge, whether this is a possible
> route.
> 
> If I remember correctly, then gcc-as is not a possible route,
> since the format of the assembly used by gcc-avr is different
> from that used to feed AvrAssember2.
> 
> >
> > Thank you very much in advance for any help!
> > Have a nice weekend!
> > Cheers
> >  Meino
> 
> 
> Hope, this helps, and welcome to amforth!
> 
> Another source of information is the .pdf Version of the "Vierte
> Dimension", a german (and somewhat english) publication by the
> "Forth Gesellschaft e.V.", found at
> http://www.forth-ev.de/filemgmt/viewcat.php?cid=2
> 
> Also, Jean Claude Wippler of jeelabs.org fame is experimenting
> with Forth.
> 
> Have the appropriate amount of fun!
> 
> Cheers,
> Erich
> 
> --
> The purpose of computing is insight --- not numbers
> R. Hamming
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Hi,

thanks a lot for the huge amount of informations!
But...

If I have to install wine first, then a windows executable...sorry,
no thank you.
With Gentoo everything has to be compiled first and I have had 
some not so successful experiences previously with wine (a vendor offers
a firmware-update-flashing tool for windows only).

Cheers
Meino


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