Hello,

FYI:  solved in AmiQuote 2.13

Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com

On 2010-08-23 18:06, Tomasz Janeczko wrote:
>    Hello,
>
> AmiQuote is just the specialized web browser (downloader)
> that does NOTHING but issue HTTP request and download data from Yahoo.
>
> Yahoo Basic and Extended information is a result of TWO
> different requests coming from two different pages.
> Yahoo Basic information is coming from "Download Data" link on that page: 
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=KYN
> i.e.: 
> http://download.finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?s=KYN&f=sl1d1t1c1ohgv&e=.csv
>
> While Yahoo Extended is coming from "Key Statistics" page here:
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=KYN+Key+Statistics
>
> As you can see first link (Basic)
> does NOT include "% held by insiders" or "% held by institutions" or "forward 
> dividend" therefore your findings about
> "Basic" mode are incorrect, because you quote data that do NOT exist in 
> "Basic Fundamental" download.
> The only that is available from "Basic" source is DIVIDEND and this one is 
> downloaded as it should.
> Other fields are simply not present in "BASIC" page. What you are telling 
> other people on the list
> is false, probably left-over from any previous downloads that you did, 
> because fields that DO NOT
> exist in given data source are left untouched.
>
> With regards to "Extended" mode, data are retrieved from
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=KYN+Key+Statistics
>
> UNLIKE all other datas downloaded by AmiQuote, this does NOT come in 
> computer-friendly, comma-separated form.
> It is instead formatted to be "human readable" and its layout is changed from 
> time to time by Yahoo.
> Every change Yahoo does on that page may result in problems.
>
> The data you got are incorrect simply because of one addition that Yahoo did, 
> they started adding commas
> as "thousand separator" and because of the fact that COMMA is also field 
> separator, it causes trouble during
> importing of such file because thousand separator used by Yahoo is 
> interpreted as field separator.
> In this particular case the problem is because PROFIT MARGIN for KYN is 
> 1,913.39%.
> Because of that comma in profit margin you get problems (only for symbols 
> that have profit margin higher than 1000%).
> It is rare, don't you think.
>
> Of course this special (rare) case for Extended Fundamental mode needs to be 
> fixed, but how come you go so far to saying that all data downloaded is 
> unreliable
> is beyond me. I guess that bashing the program makes you happier ?
>
> Best regards,
> Tomasz Janeczko
> amibroker.com
>
> On 2010-08-16 18:07, donangiecarlson wrote:
>> Bill: I don't believe the problem is looking at different Yahoo servers; 
>> because you can use AmiQuote on different days...downloading Basic and 
>> Fundamental info and the same errors exist in AB.  Here is an example of 
>> "some" fundamental info for just one ticker KYN... there are many such data 
>> descripencies problems that can be found:
>>
>> Yahoo          AmiQuote      AmiQuote        
>> KYN    Basic         Extended        
>> 1.92   1.92          0              Current Dividend
>> N/A    275,140       275,140        Forward Dividend
>> 0.18%          582,600,000%  582,600,000%   % Held by Insiders
>> 17.50%         0.18%         0.18%          % Held by Institutions
>> 7/2/2010  7/2/2010   7/8/2010        Ex-Dividend Date
>> 7/8/2010  7/9/2010   7/9/2010        Dividend Date
>>
>> o  The first column are the value in Yahoo.
>> o  The second column are the values in AB after downloading Basic 
>> Fundamental data using AmiQuote.
>> o  The third column are the values in AB after downloading Extended 
>> Fundamental data using AmiQuote.
>>
>> Ton:  Since you seem to use a different download program for retrieving 
>> Yahoo fundamental data for AB...what are your results for the above example. 
>>  Also, what is the alternative program you are using to download yahoo 
>> fundamental data into AB?
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In [email protected], "wavemechanic"<olesmi...@...>   wrote:
>>> This could happen if the downloader and the viewed data are not looking at 
>>> the same server - current and historical.  Are apples and apples be 
>>> compared or apples and oranges?
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>     From: Ton Sieverding
>>>     To: [email protected]
>>>     Sent: August 16, 2010 3:54 AM
>>>     Subject: Re: [amibroker] Don't use AmiQuote ver 2.12 for Fundamental 
>>> Data
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Hi. If AmiQuote is unreliable and if Yahoo gives the correct data than 
>>> I should not have the same errors when downloading Yahoo data with other 
>>> downloaders. But I do ... Please prove me why AmiQuote is unreliable just 
>>> by showing that downloading the same data from Yahoo and a different 
>>> downloader gives different results. Not by just telling me that AmiQuote is 
>>> unreliable ...
>>>
>>>     Regards, Ton.
>>>
>>>       ----- Original Message -----
>>>       From: donangiecarlson
>>>       To: [email protected]
>>>       Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:21 AM
>>>       Subject: [amibroker] Don't use AmiQuote ver 2.12 for Fundamental Data
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       The program is so bad it probably loads incorrect ticker quotes as 
>>> well. The Basic Data changes/deletes the Extended Data and when Extended 
>>> Data is loaded it changes/deletes Basic Data. Many people have said that 
>>> the Yahoo data is unreliable....it's probably more because AmiQuote is 
>>> unreliabel and doesn't load info correctly. #...@*
>>>
>>
>>
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