My comments were certainly not meant as a personal affront to you or anyone Brian. I apologize if that is the way you interpreted my remarks. It seems to me that these discussions and complaints about the conduct or posting practices of certain individuals should be taken "off-line" and privately conducted with the offending individuals. The tone of many of the responses that were directed to me personally as a result of my plea for toning down of the discussion were condescending and unnecessary. I am not a very frequent poster, but I enjoy reading items that are of common interest to the AM fraternity.
I do appreciate your efforts, but I think that all of the clutter created by this and previous threads concerning sales postings and misguided responses to them has made several of us very weary, to say the least. What we have observed is "piling on" at its worst. However, I can (and should) follow my own advice and hit the delete key when needed. I will now go back to my low profile stance and continue to enjoy my hobby without unwelcomed controversy and receipt of personal injury or abashment from "friendly fire". 73, Jack, W9GT -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Radio Station W5AMI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Jack, > > I appreciate your feedback, however these rules have been put in place > for a reason, and need to be followed as they would be on any email > list. To just say "lighten up" to the admin or those who are trying > to keep the rules in place is certainly no solution over time. > Anarchy can be a bad thing, particularly on an email list. I've seen > these lists go like that when the admin or moderators lose interest or > pass away, and suddenly all goes to hell. I've stayed with it even > when I was off the air for 5 years from 2001 until now. > > If I remember, you have been a member of this list for likely 10 > years. You know we have had polls, etc., about the "very few" rules > we have here. I do expect those "very few" rules to be followed and > do not expect people to tell me to lighten up when I remind them about > them. Go to some of the other lists we know so well and tell the > admin to "lighten up" ! See what happens. > > As I've said many times in the last 10 years, I have NEVER banned > anyone from this list, and hope I never have to. That is simply not > my way of taking care of a problem unless it continues, and I have > grown very tired of this particular rule being ignored. I should be > given a bit more credit for my dedication to keeping us a "family", > and not have someone tell me to "lighten up" publicly on the list for > trying to keep the rules en tact. To you, it might mean hitting the > delete button, but for the 400+ members of this list and the extra BW > on the web, it means a lot more to me. > > In closing; many years ago, and you should remember this Jack; most of > the founding members of this list agreed that for sale items were > perfectly fine, however we all agreed that any negotiating or replies > to items someone wanted to buy would be made OFF LIST. > > This list is free to all the members, storage and bandwidth of said > replies above simply add costs to those who financially support the > qth.net server, which I am one. > > Kindly yours, > Brian - w5ami > ______________________________________________________________ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:[email protected] > AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net > AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Aug 13 12:33:54 2006 Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Original-To: [email protected] Delivered-To: [email protected] Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.1.73]) by mailman.qth.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3FB859C28 for <[email protected]>; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix1.panix.com (panix1.panix.com [166.84.1.1]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277579D92B for <[email protected]>; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by panix1.panix.com (8.11.6p3/8.8.8/PanixN1.1) with ESMTP id k7DGL8S04586 for <[email protected]>; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 12:21:08 -0400 (EDT) From: John Lawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion of AM Radio <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: [AMRadio] Reply-trimming and 'for-sale' responses X-BeenThere: [email protected] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Discussion of AM Radio <[email protected]> List-Id: Discussion of AM Radio <amradio.mailman.qth.net> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/private/amradio> List-Post: <mailto:[email protected]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:33:54 -0000 On Sun, 13 Aug 2006, W5OMR/Geoff wrote: > > [text snipped] > > That sounds like the best idea, yet. The list still has traffic, the listing > of items for sale is in it's own area and *both* of the resources could be > utilized. > > Great idea! The concept of 'trimming reply text' is, IMHO, a Great Idea - and I think that the root of this discussion is not so much that there exists "for sale" traffic, but that a certain minority of Listmembers cannot, or will not, go the extra step of highlighting and deleting the mass of already-read-by-everybody text, when adding thier input (be it ever so frugal as a classic "Me too!"). or when (inadvertantly??) replying on the List to a "For-Sale" post, that probably should have gone to the Seller only. Then, naturally, the rest of the Trimless Club also reply in kind, generally with a one-liner, at the top of an ever-concatenating cascade of old and mouldy text. It's just plain irritating. Of course, merely mentioning this, in however a polite and defferential manner , brings howls of wounded sensibilities, complaints of heavy-handedness, and threats to "take my Dakaware knobs and go home...!" And it was ever thus - as anyone who has ever been a member of a Ham Club that got hijacked and destroyed by the "power-hungry" and/or "political" types. I'm admittedly very biased in this regard, having had an Internet presence going back before the WWW (remember Gopher, WAIS, and Archie/Veronica?) and various on-line accounts about ten years before that... it used to be a matter of bandwidth and byte-stream conservation, when 14.4Kbps was blazin' fast and expensively rare, and when many users paid for thier Internet access by the *byte*. Also, I may be in a minority of one here, but I use PINE under a Unix shell account to read all my mail.... so to take care of proper reply-orientation and message-trimming, I have to do it all manually. Kinda like tuning my transmitters up. If Y'all can maintain and operate Boatanchor AM gear, then trimmimg excess reply text shouldn't oughta be such a Problem.... again, my own opinion, flame away (privately) if you wish. Lastly - I think posting things For Sale here is a 'good thing' - whether it be direct to the List or a link to amfone, etc. - it keeps scarce and desirable items 'all in the family' so to speak, rather than going to a high bidder who will get your meticulously-restored and perfectly-operating classic radio back home to Seoul, then strip the knobs and tubes, and trash the chassis.... ;{} These be my 200 millidollar for a Sunday morning.... now to get my Old Valiant out on the bench and see what puked in the final tank circuit. Again. grrrrr...! Danke Mucho to the List Admins who put in so much invisible effort - I've been there, done that, no desire to do it again... ! Thanks Brain and Paul!!! Cheers John KB6SCO Valiant, Ranger, Elmac AF-67 R-390, R-390A, R-388 (20-V2, and/or BTA-1R1 soon, someday...?)
