Pete,

You edited out much of my comment in your response....so my remarks appear 
somewhat out of context.  I reiterate, I am not defending or justifying the 
practice, or in any way saying that signal reports are needed (or even wanted) 
in contest exchanges.  I was merely stating what I know to to be fact (as an 
experienced contester and former relatively active DXer myself) that the 
inclusion of such information is based on long standing tradition and past 
practice.  As for the statement about getting the message through, I disagree 
with your assessment that the requirement for the accurate exchange of some 
information beyond just a call sign does not demonstrate more of a challenge 
(skill and patience) in "getting the message through"..  That exchange can be a 
signal report, a grid square, a name, the year licensed, or whatever. Whether 
or not that demonstration is really relevant to the contest scene is certainly 
a matter of opinion and defining the desired measure of accomplishm
 ent in
 winning or scoring points.  

An interesting twist with the WAE DX contest is that it includes the 
opportunity for exchange of  "QTCs" .  The QTCs are short messages containing 
the exchange information from previously completed contest QSOs re sent to 
another participant.  This adds another dimension and a bit more of a challenge 
in transmitting more information for additional points.  Much modern contesting 
has reverted to rebot-like exchanges between highly automated stations.  In the 
DX world, which overlaps a lot with contesting, the generally recognized 
standard requirement for completion of a valid exchange includes a call sign 
and signal report.  The point being, that if they are all 5-9 or 599, you have 
removed part of that requirement, and it would seem,  made it even easier to 
accomplish the feat of contacting the DX station.
  

73,  Jack, W9GT

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Peter Markavage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Like a lot of things in amateur radio, this old tradition has no real 
> value in contesting. And, in contests where a signal report is still 
> required, whether you say 5-9, 599, 4-5, or 6-9, the challenge of 
> "getting the message through" hasn't been removed. As I said in a 
> previous message, most contesters as there for "point-count" i.e. your 
> required exhange, my required exchange; Done! Next contact, etc. 
> 
> Pete, wa2cwa 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 11:02:45 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
> > It is a just a tradition, standard and common practice that 
> > has been continued for many years. IMHO, giving everyone a 5-9 or 
> > 599 is just a shortcut and really removes part of the challenge of 
> > "getting the message through". From the DX or DXpedition's point of 
> > view, it is just an expedient. 
> > 
> > 73, Jack, W9GT 
> > 
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