Robert,

It sounds like you could use this relay to fill in for the non-working contacts 
on your existing relay.  You just need to find out what operating current it 
needs and then configure the circuit in the 32V2 to feed it properly.

I say "current" because relays, being electromagnetically driven, are 
physically operated by the number of "ampere turns" in their magnets.  Of 
course Ohms Law still applies, so you can measure the operating voltage too.

What you want to do is to measure the voltage necessary to cause the relay to 
close.  Ideally you would do it with a variable power supply, connecting it 
across the relay coil and bringing it up slowly until the relay closed.  This 
would be the "just operate voltage."  Normally one runs a relay a bit higher in 
voltage/current than the "just operate" point, 1.5 to 2 times being typical.  
So a 48 volt relay would have a just operate voltage in the 24 to 30 volt 
range.  

A variable supply can be made quite simply.  A Variac feeding a half-wave 
silicon diode rectifier with a filter capacitor across the output would be 
fine.  Even a selection of decent power rated resistors in series with the 120 
volt line into the rectifier/filter would give you a few trial points - but 
watch out not to electrocute yourself of course.  

If you can't come up with a variable supply, you can always just see if the 
relay will work with rectified and filtered DC from the 120 volt line on it.  
If it works, measure the voltage across the relay coil at that point and use 
that as your target voltage when you put it into the rig.  

You could even borrow some current from the +240 volt supply in the 32V2, 
putting some trial resistors in series with the relay coil.  A series resistor 
in the 10 to 20 K range would be a good place to start.  

If you wind up with 110 VDC across the relay coil for its normal operating 
condition, you would be dissipating just slightly more than 1 watt in the coil 
which should be no problem for it at all.  That would correspond to an 
operating current of 9.4 ma.  

You told me that your existing K301 relay has a 3K coil resistance, and it 
operates on a nominal 48 volts or on 16 ma.  

If you wanted to go easy on the +240 volt supply in your 32V3, you could revise 
the relay feed resistors into a series-parallel arrangement.  I'll send you a 
copy of my calculation page, but it amounts to Using the existing 5K, 10 watt 
R309 and acquiring an additional 3.9K, 3 watt resistor.  You will wind up 
pulling virtually the same current from the +240 supply to drive  both relays.

Jim, W8KGI


Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:40:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Robert Lawson <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [AMRadio] Relay Voltage ID
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Gentlemen,

I've a Potter & Brumfield KR-2349-1 double pole single throw open frame relay.? 
I am trying to find out the AC or DC voltage requirements as they are not 
marked on the coil.? The coil measures 11.7 Kohms.? Any help would be 
appreciated.? I've already done a Google search with no results on this 
particular relay.? Thanks in advance.

73 and fly our Flag,

Robert W4RL Pensacola FL
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