Hi, LeRoy, First of all, if an issue arises, FCC will discuss the matter with affected folks long before taking action against a license. Legal actions, both theirs and yours, cost a lot of money. Talking over an issue is far more practical and less expensive. Not to worry.
A wonderful thing about amateur radio is that it's only for individual people to learn and try ideas. We have both a great deal of flexibility and the responsibility that goes with the flexibility. Gives us wonderful possibilities!!! Enjoy!! 73, art..... W4ART/4 Miami FL On 7-Jul-2009, at 12:28 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Wow I am honestly surprised by this attiude. This is the 2nd email > that I have seen saying don't ask the FCC anything > > I the rules are vauge at best - why else would so many people > disagree about what can and can not be done > > I don't have the time or money to go into a legal battle with FCC - > and I don't want to loose my license if this is in their minds > illegal. I am just not willing to do that - > > A judgement for or against is the only way to settle the question > once and for all. > If I personally don't like the ruleing then I would just have to > live with it - or file for an appeal. > > There is no reason that I can see to break the law (maybe) and let > it sort itself out latter. > > I am really surprised by this - > > Truely surprised > > A judgement needs to be made - some people may not like it - but if > that is the rules - we can make reasoned arguments as to why the > rules need to be changed. Not just break the rules and then sort it > out later > > LeRoy, KD8BXP > http://www.HamOhio.com > Sent on the Now Network from my Sprint® BlackBerry > > > From: W4ART Arthur Feller > Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:13:59 -0400 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers > (WAS Re: Re:dream) > > "Whenever you get in bed with the Federal government, you often get > more than just a good night's sleep." Ronald Regan. > > Translation: Don't ask for a ruling unless prepared to hear > something you won't like. > > Better to proceed in good faith and sort out the matter only if > needed. > > I hope this helps. > > 73, art..... > W4ART/4 Miami FL > > > On 7-Jul-2009, at 11:42 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Ben, I agree we need a ruling on this I think part 97 is vauge and >> vauge for a reason >> >> What we need is to setup a confrance call or something so we can >> get a well written letter together and get it off to someone who >> can make a ruleing at the FCC >> >> Skype, echolink, dstar or something where those that are interested >> can all join in - >> Define a system and descuss the possablities of doing call sign >> routing, sending the pages up to a satellite ect ect >> >> But before "we" put a lot of time and effort and money into this >> I think we need a ruleing >> >> I know for a fact that our local repeater is cabable of doing 2 >> tone paging - and was in use back when I was very young and not a >> ham - the elders of the local club say it was able to send alerts >> for weather, pages for people to get on the radio, ect. It was all >> done with tones at the time - "our" pagers are far more advanced >> and can display the text of whatever >> >> No one in the club can tell me why they stopped using pagers - a >> couple of the guys thought it was because cell phones became small >> and able to be carried in your hand. >> >> But at around the same time they stopped paging, kantronics also >> stopped modify pagers for 2 meters, and I think they stopped making >> the tncs that were able to do POCSAG - so my thinking was that a >> rule had changed making pagers illegal in the ham bands. Or at very >> least questionable. From the kantronics point of view the may not >> have been selling many of them and just didn't want to put the time >> and resources into making them anymore. But something happended - >> As I said our local repeater is cabable of doing two tone - it was >> built like that from the beginning >> >> >> We need to setup something and get as many people as we can write >> up a well written paper and get a ruleing. That is bottom line on >> it - >> I am on the fence as far as if it is legal or not - on one hand an >> agrument can be made for telemetery - which is aloud - on the other >> hand pagers can be used to send one way personal pages which is >> where I am unclear >> I think as we see here agurements can be made on both sides. Which >> is why we need a ruleing. When rules are written this vauge some >> one needs to decide and stand by the decision >> >> LeRoy, KD8BXP >> http://www.HamOhio.com >> >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Ben Jackson >> To: Bob Bruninga >> Cc: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: OT: Universal Text Messaging and Pagers (WAS Re: >> [amsat-bb] Re:dream) >> Sent: Jul 7, 2009 11:20 AM >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Bob Bruninga wrote: >> >> *snip* >> >> We'll agree to disagree regarding your take of the rules as almost >> everyone else did on APRSSIG. ;) >> >>> There is no reason to nit pick rules. When one is broadcasting (one >>> way) to the general public or using amateur radio inappropriately, I >>> think everyone can tell when it is blatanly illegal. I just don't >>> see the FCC cares one nit about some of these debates when any one >>> can see that hams are taking initiative to better their use of the >>> radio art. >> >> Considering that they've recently ruled on whether contesters should >> give blanket "5-by-9" signals, I'd think they'd be glad to rule on >> something interesting and relevant. :) >> >>>>> You just have to ignore the curmudgeons who have nothing better >>>>> to do than nit-pick ways to prevent other hams from developing >>>>> useful applications of technology. A pager is simply the >>>>> text-to-user device integrated into the normal local 2-way >>>>> amateur radio communications system. >>>> The issue is that, according to Part 97, it can't be used beyond >>>> QSTs, telemetry, or "necessary" emergency communications. Could I >>>> get away with setting up such a system? Likely. Do I foot to stand >>>> on when my local OO comes knocking? Not so much. >>> >>> Some OO's are part of the problem, not the solution... >> >> Then the solution has presented itself. Get a ruling from the FCC >> regarding the use of transmissions to receive-only devices such as >> pagers. Then we can finally put this issue to rest and if anyone >> comes >> knocking regarding the legality of these transmissions, we can have >> something concrete to cite. >> >> Again, I'd love to set up something like this, but I'd be hard >> pressed >> to spend a chunk of money on a system that could be taken down if >> someone files a complaint to the FCC. >> >> Let's take any further discussion about this offline. >> >> - -- >> Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA >> bbj <at> innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/ >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJKU2ejAAoJEAQiWVsfSvVvhxwH/29Y5oXeLMTfZXholTV4gSdF >> IQmEBb3wBQbZK/V9ltjNQZhVnH1senvo8M1eYH/Cb60H3e+3bimuj1awAEZc+ACX >> EIuUI+l88+vABjjkv0YGzES3tDobFPMIgyP1pUWdlbrG3c8ZRBUxu3dFUbYWNMaB >> zothv8yGChMIFF+S60h/StmNpA4lEKm+J4hBsHlFhoBhjiX0kVD3G6IOxZGworIa >> RNwCwbQ4M1NNG62hp3a8YWF3y7qgjO6hTaq2hz3hTx9ktb4ajyCeMZYesNXByQ2A >> eFepP7fNTTD4ga9wVTX5xZeQ9+saREFxU0NcFS/GeCkWeAwy9FcJczfJWBVnha0= >> =AgEy >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> Sent on the Now Network⢠from my Sprintî BlackBerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via [email protected]. 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