Hello Luc I can't answer all your questons, please read the following article on the AMSAT-DL homepage: http://www.amsat-dl.org//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=173&Itemid=97
You can translate it with Google to your language. I hope, you can find a few answers. For specific answers there are also any OM's around here, I think. Luc Leblanc schrieb: > >From AMSAT-NA web page who was updated: 23 Aug, 09 > > excerpt: > > AMSAT Files CJ Requests with US State Department > > "AMSAT's involvement with P3-E halted in 2006 due to concerns over possible > ITAR violations." > > > Did anyone can explain why is it possible to say "AMSAT's involvement with > P3-E halted in 2006 due to concerns over possible ITAR > violations" when i wrote about the memorandum (see below) on February 22 2007 > as this paper has been signed prior to February 2007 in 2006? > > Even if ITAR does not apply to information related to general scientific, > mathematical or engineering principles that is commonly taught > in schools and colleges or information that is (legitimately) in the public > domain. Nor does it apply to general marketing information or > basic system descriptions. (see below) > > How the cooperation between AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-UK stopped in > 2006 when theses 3 gentlemens > Peter DB2OS for AMSAT-DL, Rick W2GPS for AMSAT-NA, Jim G3WGM for AMSAT-UK > signed a memorandum of understanding and cooperation the same > very year??? They where surely not all out of their mind in 2006 or it is > something else? > > And why asking in January 2009 3 years later for a V'oluntary Disclosure' > (Not a VOLUNARY a typo on the AMSAT web page) when most of the > amateur ham stuff is already in the public domain area? It is the same as if > you are speeding and you go back to your police station 3 > years later telling them you violate the law 3 years ago!!! or is it a way to > justify their inaction refusing to get any blame? > > What it is the most intriguing is the time frame and the fact they relate the > cooperation stopping to ITAR in 2006 when they signed a > memorandum of understanding and cooperation at the same time? There is > something here who does not added up. > > Could be it is a way to try hiding their poor management past years record? > or something we should ask to Gomez Addams or to his lovely > pale skin and a Gothic appearance wife Morticia Addams? > > > It is a lot of good questions to be ask at the next AMSAT-NA symposium Board > of Directors general meeting in October? > > > > > Memorandum of Understanding between > AMSAT-DL, AMSAT-UK and AMSAT-NA > > > AMSAT-DL for the last five years has been building the P3-E spacecraft to be > launched into a HEO and intended as a replacement for previous P3 satellites. > It's purpose is to facilitate communication between radio-amateurs worldwide > and at the same time to test and verify technologies and procedures needed > for > the P5-A mission to Mars. AMSAT-DL to this day has invested about 500,000 > Euro > into this project. > > > AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-UK wish to contribute to the P3-E project, primarily with > the goal to have the launch of P3-E as early as possible in order to give to > their respective members the use of the communication services provided by P3- > E. > > > It is recognized that the capability of AMSAT-DL to raise funds limits the > speed of the development of P3-E. In order to make a launch possible in 2008, > AMSAT-DL has an immediate need of 40,000 Euro and an estimated need of > ~200,000 > > Euro prior to the actual launch-date. AMSAT-NA and AMSAT-UK wish to help with > the raising of these requirements by providing 30,000 Euro (AMSAT-NA) and > 10,000 Euro (AMSAT-UK) in the near future. Furthermore, they wish to > contribute > > by raising additional funding as the actual launch arrangements materialize. > > > In order to achieve an effective cooperation in the funding effort and the > construction and launching of P3-E, the following details to implement the > cooperation are agreed: > > > 1. The three AMSAT organizations will closely coordinate their activities > and monitor progress of the project by frequent mutual consultations on the > telephone. To this end the three parties will hold nominally a monthly > telephone conference to review the status of the project and to identify > problem areas. At this time the three organizations will be represented by > Rick, Jim and Peter at these telephone-conferences. > > 2. According to need, the three organizations agree to hold sufficiently > frequent meetings in person to review the project status. These meetings are > assumed to be desirable with a frequency of 6-12 month between them. > > 3. It is understood by all three organizations that procuring a timely > launch for P3-E is one of the bigger challenges of the project. AMSAT-DL is > concentrating major efforts of procuring a launch with Arianespace, while > AMSAT- > NA is trying to develop a launch opportunity within the USA. All parties > recognize that major progress in funding is contingent on a firm launch > agreement. All parties further recognize that a timely construction and > integration of P3-E is critically dependent on all parties giving highest > priority to fulfilling their respective commitments. > > 4. All three organizations understand that funding progress is dependent > on > effective information dissemination worldwide. To this end the three > organizations reiterate their mutual agreement that each organization can > publish all P3-E related publications of the other two organizations in their > respective public organs without special permission. Furthermore, each > organization is free to prepare 'official' statements about the project, but > these publications must be agreed with the project management of P3-E (AMSAT- > DL) prior to publication. Requests for agreement to publish will be sent to > Peter (or another person chosen by him), who will use best efforts to respond > within 7 days with an answer. With other publications by individual authors > no > such agreement is necessary provided that the context makes it is clear that > the publication is not an official declaration by the project management or > AMSAT-DL. > > 5. AMSAT-DL reiterates that the operational use of P3-E will be primarily > to > provide amateur radio communication services. But all parties also understand > that the spacecraft is a dual service satellite, and that AMSAT-DL retains > the > right to occasionally reduce the provision of amateur radio services if work > towards P5-A requires this. A-DL will use due diligence to minimize the > impact > of the P5-A requirements on the provision of amateur services. > > > For AMSAT-DL For AMSAT-NA For AMSAT-UK > > Peter DB2OS Rick W2GPS J Jim G3WGM > _________________________________________________________________________________ > > Just check here for the proof > http://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/200702/msg00394.html > > _________________________________________________________________________________ > > The ITAR public domain exclusions > > § 120.11 Public domain. > (a) Public domain means information > which is published and which is generally > accessible or available to the > public: > (1) Through sales at newsstands and > bookstores; > (2) Through subscriptions which are > available without restriction to any individual > who desires to obtain or purchase > the published information; > (3) Through second class mailing > privileges granted by the U.S. Government; > (4) At libraries open to the public or > from which the public can obtain documents; > (5) Through patents available at any > patent office; > (6) Through unlimited distribution at > a conference, meeting, seminar, trade > show or exhibition, generally accessible > to the public, in the United > States; > (7) Through public release (i.e., unlimited > distribution) in any form (e.g., > not necessarily in published form) after > approval by the cognizant U.S. government > department or agency (see also > § 125.4(b)(13) of this subchapter); > (8) Through fundamental research in > science and engineering at accredited > institutions of higher learning in the > U.S. where the resulting information is > ordinarily published and shared broadly > in the scientific community. Fundamental > research is defined to mean > basic and applied research in science > and engineering where the resulting information > is ordinarily published and > shared broadly within the scientific > community, as distinguished from research > the results of which are restricted > for proprietary reasons or specific > U.S. Government access and dissemination > controls. University research > will not be considered fundamental > research if: > (i) The University or its researchers > accept other restrictions on publication > of scientific and technical information > resulting from the project or > activity, or > (ii) The research is funded by the > U.S. Government and specific access > and dissemination controls protecting > information resulting from the research > are applicable. > (b) [Reserved] > > > PS. Did any one ever heard of any report about the memorandum and the way it > works since 2006? > > "-" > > > Luc Leblanc VE2DWE > Skype VE2DWE > www.qsl.net/ve2dwe > DSTAR urcall VE2DWE > WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eu-amsat/ > > <*> Your email settings: > Individual Email | Traditional > > <*> To change settings online go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eu-amsat/join > (Yahoo! ID required) > > <*> To change settings via email: > mailto:[email protected] > mailto:[email protected] > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [email protected] > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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