That's fine Joe. I don't expect everyone to walk in lockstep. What I do expect is to not be accused, as others have, of impropriety within what I do for AMSAT. That type of accusation will elicit an aggressive, overwhelming defense every time.
73, Drew KO4MA Sent from my iPhone On Mar 31, 2011, at 7:01 AM, "Gary \"Joe\" Mayfield" <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay, I'll go public as well. I sent Clint a private email. I disagree > with what Drew did. I appreciate he has a truly thankless job. I have > nothing but respect for him. The amount of time and energy it takes to do > the many good things he does for us is huge. I know I could not do it, but > that does not mean I always agree. Drew is a grown up and I like to think I > am a grown up so we can disagree and not have any animosity towards each > other. > > AO-51 is a zoo at times, so is 20 meters during contests. It is the nature > of the beast. As time goes on people will figure out how to make contacts, > whether it is change birds, change times, or change tactics. I believe > limiting access is a bad idea. > > I'm not wanting to start a flame war, just wanting to state there is another > side to the argument, and there are a few of us on that side. > > 73, > Joe kk0sd > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of P.H. > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:30 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: -={Echo Madness}=- > >>>> Several others have written in support, and >>>> I only wish more would have done so publicly. > > I wasn't going to reply to this thread when it started because I feel > quite strongly about the subject and didn't want to say something I > would later regret. However as I feel I need to show my support for > Drew's decision, here goes. > > First of all I think Drew was right to do what he did, over here in > Europe things are pretty much the same, in fact I have heard worse > than the recording posted here earlier in the week. I have experienced > the same frustration that I imagine Drew did when he had others > deliberately stomp all over him, it's not nice, especially when it's > the same stations day in and day out. > > While I dont always agree with Drew's attitude to people here on -bb, > on this occasion I do support him in what he did - and appreciate both > his efforts in looking after the sat and those of the other command > stations (and of course others behind the scenes who dont always get a > mention) > > There has been a lot of talk about what can't be done to rectify the > situation.. we need to have a more positive approach to this and look > at what can be done. > > Our license states that it is an offence to cause interference - If it > is intentional or not, it is interference - some people have compared > it to a HF pileup, yes there is that side to it, but that doesn't mean > we cant do something about those regular users who continually make a > nuisance of themselves by stomping all over other stations, be it > deliberate or not - it is interference. If you cant make a contact on > the sat without regularly causing interference, then it's either time > to look at asking for help with your station setup and operating > practices or consider another aspect of the hobby. > > The ham radio governing bodies (ARRL, RSGB etc) are perhaps in a > better position to offer assistance to contact those who don't hang > out on here or have contact details on QRZ.com etc. > > For those people who choose to ignore the advise and continue to cause > interference by stomping all over users then perhaps if a few > complaints were lodged with the licensing authority it may help. > > I know it won't cure the problem totally but wouldn't it help? - those > who are that way inclined will think twice before making a total > nuisance of themselves on the air, and those that choose to ignore the > thought of having their license revoked may well just get a letter > forwarded to them by their national Amsat organisation via the ARRL or > RSGB etc, or repeat offenders from the licensing authority. > > To reiterate, i'm not talking about the new operators, we were all new > once. I'm talking about the regular offenders who are just plain rude > and cant wait their turn, or greedy and think it is their right to > have X amount of contacts per pass no matter how much interference > they cause. > > Just some suggestions, it may take a little time and effort but also > it may well pay off in the long run. > > Here in Europe there are several stations who pass after pass just > stomp all over other users and make AO-51 in particular not a nice > place to be. > > I would certainly never consider using AO-51 as a satellite to do a > demo on to beginners when these guys are around. > > However, the last few days on AO-51 have been a pleasure to work since > the switch and if it continues like this (doubtful) then a demo on > AO-51 would most definitley be a possibility. > > Remember, the use of AO-51 is a privilege, not a right. Treat it, and > it's users with the respect it/they deserve. > > Ok, rant over. > > Keep up the good work Drew, Mark, Gould and all the team at Amsat-NA > > 73 > > Pete > 2i0VAX > _______________________________________________ > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
