Regarding the few posts in bad taste.  I'm an ex sailor I can handle it 
however, this place is not at sea.  

With the demise of AO-51 and the yearning for more birds.  Do we have a place 
where we can actually see (pretty close) how much money is required for what 
bird/launch and even "ball park" time frame.  From the "outside" looking in it 
appears we're simply shoot from the hip.  Nothing works better than specific, 
concise and honest details be if from AMSAT-NA or our DL friends.  I recently 
gave a satellite talk and could not give definitive anwers about even the 
future out a few years, other than my own hopes and dreams.  The university 
"beep" boxes we have assisted with are kinda fun, why not hang on a small 
transponder from   http://www.qsl.net/pe1rah/ .  I'd like to see a specific 
goal oriented conversation in this direction, that in my opinion provides 
direction.  With very specific goals we will have direction (money).  I know we 
have "well connected" people in AMSAT" to the space industry, the devil is in 
the details.  Now finally where can we find the keps of some of these odd ball 
birds like Phobos-Grunt.  That thing should be optically visible at the gray 
line. 

73 Bob 

Washingto State AMSAT Coordinator 


 
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