Just checked again and actually I have HI confirmed on 6 and I worked that
ZF before on 6, no QSL.
KHP
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4. Re: full duplex w/ 2 HT's (Ronald Nutter)
5. Re: full duplex w/ 2 HT's (Greg D)
6. Re: A great suggestion (Clint Bradford)
7. Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations (Stefan Wagener)
8. Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations (i8cvs)
9. Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations
(Jari Koivurinne)
10. Re: full duplex w/ 2 HT's (Andrew Glasbrenner)
11. nitinol wire vs steel tape (Nick Pugh)
12. Re: full duplex w/ 2 HT's (Dobarrows)
13. Re: [CubeSat] nitinol wire vs steel tape (chantal cappelletti)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 12:57:42 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Icom Power Cord
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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I believe the IC-910 also uses the IC-OPC-657A power cord - if that helps in
your searching.
Clint K6LCS
... IC-821 ...
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 15:59:58 -0500
From: Thomas Doyle <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [amsat-bb] A great suggestion
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A great suggestion was made for a simple addition to the
program written for demos and education.
You can now add your own images to the little slide show that takes
place in the lower right hand portion of the screen. This is a good
way to personalize your presentation by including images that
are of specific interest to your group or add images that for one
reason or another are not included in the program.
If any group or organization would like an image added to the gallery
and/or included with the program distribution just send me your request
in an email with the image attached and I will try to include it. If any
registered trademark or copyright issues are involved with the image
simply add a line or two to your request authorizing use of the image
in this application.
The updated version of the program, information on how to add your
own images and a little gallery of images to try out is on the
web site.
http://www.tomdoyle.org/simplesatlookdown
Have Fun - 73 W9KE Tom Doyle
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 14:31:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [amsat-bb] 1K grids
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Congrats to Jerry, K5OE. He just submitted his VUCC upgrade to 1,000 grids
today, actually 1,008 but who's counting.
It was an easy set of cards to check. About 30 from a bunch of hams and 100
or so grids from Yuri. Not a bad haul. and... I have never worked Yuri on
satellite.
73...bruce
Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 16:17:07 -0500
From: Ronald Nutter <[email protected]>
To: Robert Coppock <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: full duplex w/ 2 HT's
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Robert:
I have used a duplexer on the UHF side of my satellite ops for several
years. I find that some radios have more of a desense problem than
others. Here is a link to my website where I briefly talk about what I
do on portable ops and using what is referred to as a Mode J filter -
http://www.ka4kyi.com/satellite_gear/misc_equipment/
Ron Nutter
KA4KYI
AMSAT Area Coordinator for Missouri
On 6/2/12 11:33 AM, Robert Coppock wrote:
hola, i am trying to determine the best way to work full duplex on the
birds with 2 HT's or radios. i cannot find any info so far on the web.
my concern is to keep the transmit power out of the receive radio, i guess
basically the difference between a diplexer and duplexer. since i am
efficient (lazy) i thought i would just look for suggestions here while i
am checking google also. what do i need, di/du/ plexer, and what is the
correct wiring scheme ? i will be using the arrow antenna without the
built in duplexer, from the 2 feeds (vhf/uhf) and 2 HT's for now. my
picture of it so far, is to wire the vhf radio direct to the vhf feed port
on the arrow, and have the uhf port on the arrow come into a duplexer,
with the duplexer uhf port going to the uhf radio, and the duplexer vhf
port terminated into a 50 ohm dummy load. also, any suggestions of
specific duplexers would be appreciated. i think i started on this project
a few years ago, but never got around to get!
ti!
ng it all together. grazie mille, Robert k f 0 g cn81 in the
woodwork, literally,
shasta/klamath national forests.
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 19:45:36 -0700
From: Greg D <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: full duplex w/ 2 HT's
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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So, all the on-line information seems to point to this solution -
putting a diplexer (filter) on the 70cm side to tap off and absorb the
incoming 2m signal. Isn't there also a design where one puts a filter on
the 2m side, to tap off and absorb the 70 cm (3rd harmonic of 2m) signal?
I would think that any (reasonable) 70cm receiver would have enough
rejection for a signal so far out of band, but the in-band 3rd harmonic
can only be taken care of at its source. At least, I think that's the logic.
Is there anything worthy about the other design, or is the most common
problem that our HTs can't possibly deal with a strong 2m signal on the
70cm side because of their "DC to Daylight" receivers?
I've been on the mode-J birds without much of a problem with this sort
of desense, though I did have a lot of trouble on AO-40 with reflected
RF when aiming through a big oak tree behind the house. The 70cm uplink
was interfering with the 13cm downlink, and I was pretty sure at the
time that it was a 3rd harmonic sort of problem.
Just curious,
Greg KO6TH
Ronald Nutter wrote:
Robert:
I have used a duplexer on the UHF side of my satellite ops for several
years. I find that some radios have more of a desense problem than
others. Here is a link to my website where I briefly talk about what I
do on portable ops and using what is referred to as a Mode J filter -
http://www.ka4kyi.com/satellite_gear/misc_equipment/
Ron Nutter
KA4KYI
AMSAT Area Coordinator for Missouri
On 6/2/12 11:33 AM, Robert Coppock wrote:
hola, i am trying to determine the best way to work full duplex on
the birds with 2 HT's or radios. i cannot find any info so far on the
web. my concern is to keep the transmit power out of the receive
radio, i guess basically the difference between a diplexer and
duplexer. since i am efficient (lazy) i thought i would just look for
suggestions here while i am checking google also. what do i need,
di/du/ plexer, and what is the correct wiring scheme ? i will be
using the arrow antenna without the built in duplexer, from the 2
feeds (vhf/uhf) and 2 HT's for now. my picture of it so far, is to
wire the vhf radio direct to the vhf feed port on the arrow, and have
the uhf port on the arrow come into a duplexer, with the duplexer uhf
port going to the uhf radio, and the duplexer vhf port terminated
into a 50 ohm dummy load. also, any suggestions of specific duplexers
would be appreciated. i think i started on this project a few years
ago, but never got around to get!
ti!
ng it all together. grazie mille, Robert k f 0 g cn81 in the
woodwork, literally, shasta/klamath national forests.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:27:33 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <[email protected]>
To: AMSAT BB <[email protected]>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: A great suggestion
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Brilliant! Great program ... accurate tracking ... simple and elegant -
GREAT work, Tom.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 02:26:20 -0500
From: Stefan Wagener <[email protected]>
To: i8cvs <[email protected]>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <[email protected]>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations
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Thanks folks,
That's a very helpful and constructive discussion. It will certainly allow
for better assessment of the feasibility, options and limitations.
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:54 PM, i8cvs <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Peter, DB2OS
I was reading the document in particular point 2.2.2
Communication and 2.2.3 but in my opinion the Radio
Hams are off side because everyting has been already
designed and in my opinion there is no room available
on the Lander for a Moon-Earth experimental communication
transponder in our L band and S band because our antennas
are too big.
Since the main 7.2 and 8.5 GHz X band High Gain Antennas
of the Lander are oriented toward the Earth in a fixed position
to compensate the pointing for libration probably only a 5 watt
pep and a circularly polarized horn on our 10.5 GHz should be
possible.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:57 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations
Hi together,
Please also have a look at this document:
http://wsn.spaceflight.esa.int/docs/lunarlander/LunarLander_EIDA_CDI_230512.
pdf
in particular see point 2.2.2 Communication and 2.2.3:
"Visibility of the Earth from the landing site imposes the following
constraint:
? communications shall only be possible within a 13.7 day (TBC) window
each month, and shall depend on the availability of the ground station."
further:
"the mean power available for an individual payload is expected not to
exceed 20W"
73s Peter DB2OS
On 03.06.2012 00:29, Peter Guelzow wrote:
> Check also this discussion from James Miller, G3RUH:
>
> http://www.amsat.org/amsat/articles/g3ruh/110.html
>
>
> 73s Peter, DB2OS
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:01:14 +0200
From: "i8cvs" <[email protected]>
To: "Stefan Wagener" <[email protected]>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <[email protected]>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations
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Hi Stefan VE4NSA, Peter DB2OS and folks on BB
It should be very nice to have a transponder on the Lunar Lander operating
into the X/K band 10,5 GHz Uplink and 24 GHz downlink. As on AO40 the
antennas are very small and probably there is room for a transponder.
For a good feasibility and assesment with ESA it would be very important to
have also a 24 GHz Beacon relaying to us TLM data concerning some primary
ESA experiments.
Just my idea.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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From: Stefan Wagener
To: i8cvs
Cc: Peter Guelzow ; Amsat - BBs
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations
Thanks folks,
That's a very helpful and constructive discussion. It will certainly allow
for better assessment of the feasibility, options and limitations.
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 8:54 PM, i8cvs <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Peter, DB2OS
I was reading the document in particular point 2.2.2
Communication and 2.2.3 but in my opinion the Radio
Hams are off side because everyting has been already
designed and in my opinion there is no room available
on the Lander for a Moon-Earth experimental communication
transponder in our L band and S band because our antennas
are too big.
Since the main 7.2 and 8.5 GHz X band High Gain Antennas
of the Lander are oriented toward the Earth in a fixed position
to compensate the pointing for libration probably only a 5 watt
pep and a circularly polarized horn on our 10.5 GHz should be
possible.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Guelzow" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:57 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations
Hi together,
Please also have a look at this document:
http://wsn.spaceflight.esa.int/docs/lunarlander/LunarLander_EIDA_CDI_230512.
pdf
in particular see point 2.2.2 Communication and 2.2.3:
"Visibility of the Earth from the landing site imposes the following
constraint:
? communications shall only be possible within a 13.7 day (TBC) window
each month, and shall depend on the availability of the ground station."
further:
"the mean power available for an individual payload is expected not to
exceed 20W"
73s Peter DB2OS
On 03.06.2012 00:29, Peter Guelzow wrote:
> Check also this discussion from James Miller, G3RUH:
>
> http://www.amsat.org/amsat/articles/g3ruh/110.html
>
>
> 73s Peter, DB2OS
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:32:38 +0300
From: "Jari Koivurinne" <[email protected]>
To: "i8cvs" <[email protected]>
Cc: Amsat - BBs <[email protected]>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations
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Hi all
There is nothing much to do with 20W mean power. Just a 5W pep beacon...
-jari oh3uw
Hi Stefan VE4NSA, Peter DB2OS and folks on BB
It should be very nice to have a transponder on the Lunar Lander operating
into the X/K band 10,5 GHz Uplink and 24 GHz downlink. As on AO40 the
antennas
are very small and probably there is room for a transponder.
For a good feasibility and assesment with ESA it would be very important
to
have also a 24 GHz Beacon relaying to us TLM data concerning some primary
ESA
experiments.
Just my idea.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 06:01:21 -0400
From: Andrew Glasbrenner <[email protected]>
To: Greg D <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: full duplex w/ 2 HT's
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Usually the diplexer as a filter is only needed to keep the 2m tx from
overloading a 70cm preamp. For a two radio setup with no preamp, it usually
isn't needed at all.
73, Drew KO4MA
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 3, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Greg D <[email protected]> wrote:
So, all the on-line information seems to point to this solution - putting
a diplexer (filter) on the 70cm side to tap off and absorb the incoming 2m
signal. Isn't there also a design where one puts a filter on the 2m side,
to tap off and absorb the 70 cm (3rd harmonic of 2m) signal?
I would think that any (reasonable) 70cm receiver would have enough
rejection for a signal so far out of band, but the in-band 3rd harmonic
can only be taken care of at its source. At least, I think that's the
logic.
Is there anything worthy about the other design, or is the most common
problem that our HTs can't possibly deal with a strong 2m signal on the
70cm side because of their "DC to Daylight" receivers?
I've been on the mode-J birds without much of a problem with this sort of
desense, though I did have a lot of trouble on AO-40 with reflected RF
when aiming through a big oak tree behind the house. The 70cm uplink was
interfering with the 13cm downlink, and I was pretty sure at the time that
it was a 3rd harmonic sort of problem.
Just curious,
Greg KO6TH
Ronald Nutter wrote:
Robert:
I have used a duplexer on the UHF side of my satellite ops for several
years. I find that some radios have more of a desense problem than
others. Here is a link to my website where I briefly talk about what I do
on portable ops and using what is referred to as a Mode J filter -
http://www.ka4kyi.com/satellite_gear/misc_equipment/
Ron Nutter
KA4KYI
AMSAT Area Coordinator for Missouri
On 6/2/12 11:33 AM, Robert Coppock wrote:
hola, i am trying to determine the best way to work full duplex on the
birds with 2 HT's or radios. i cannot find any info so far on the web.
my concern is to keep the transmit power out of the receive radio, i
guess basically the difference between a diplexer and duplexer. since i
am efficient (lazy) i thought i would just look for suggestions here
while i am checking google also. what do i need, di/du/ plexer, and what
is the correct wiring scheme ? i will be using the arrow antenna without
the built in duplexer, from the 2 feeds (vhf/uhf) and 2 HT's for now. my
picture of it so far, is to wire the vhf radio direct to the vhf feed
port on the arrow, and have the uhf port on the arrow come into a
duplexer, with the duplexer uhf port going to the uhf radio, and the
duplexer vhf port terminated into a 50 ohm dummy load. also, any
suggestions of specific duplexers would be appreciated. i think i
started on this project a few years ago, but never got around to get!
ti!
ng it all together. grazie mille, Robert k f 0 g cn81 in the woodwork,
literally, shasta/klamath national forests.
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 05:47:29 -0500
From: "Nick Pugh" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>
Subject: [amsat-bb] nitinol wire vs steel tape
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Does anyone on the list know if there is any trade off using nitinol wire
over steel tape for antennas on cube sats?
Thanks
nick
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:53:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dobarrows <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: full duplex w/ 2 HT's
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
My portable setup using an arrow antenna doesn't use a diplexor or duplexor.
With the setup for 2m uplink, I connect my VX5R to the two meter driven
element with a piece of RG-8X.
I connect my Icom IC R10 to the 432 mhz driven element with another piece of
RG-8X. Just turn the radios on,
adjust the frequencies, and wave the antenna around until you hear the
satellite on the receive radio. When I transmit and I can hear my signal in
the IC-R10 I know that I may be heard. If I hear someone else in the
downlink, I stop transmitting and wait for another chance
Now note that my IC R10 is not a second HT, but just a receiver. You should
be able to swap in a second HT for the IC R10 with no problem.
Most of the time, I use a better setup by inserting a Down East Microwave
preamp between the antenna and the IC R10. The preamp improves reception on
the downlink considerably. By using a receive only radio with the pre amp,
I don't have to worry about accidently transmitting on 432 and burning up
the pre amp. I run the preamp with two six volt lantern batteries in
series.
When working a pass, I start with the receiver in usb mode and tuned about
10 mhz higher than the published downlink frequency. This helps me zero in
on the satellite. When the signal gets better (the squawking noise
listening to a FM signal with usb setting gets loud) I switch the receiver
to FM and gradually tune down frequency to keep up with the doppler. I
usually don't touch the transmit frequency on the VX 5R. I just keep it on
the published downlink frequency for the whole pass.
73, W8IJ
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 18:07:32 +0200
From: chantal cappelletti <[email protected]>
To: Nick Pugh <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [CubeSat] nitinol wire vs steel tape
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Dear Nick.
we have tried to use the Nitinol for our CubeSat but for our
experience it is better to use the steel tape.
If you want to have more details please contact us:
[email protected]
Thanks,
Chantal
2012/6/4 Nick Pugh <[email protected]>:
Does anyone on the list know if there is any trade off using nitinol ?wire
over steel tape for antennas on cube sats?
Thanks
nick
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Cell????? 337 258 2527
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