One thought is to use expended upper stages as platforms. Robert WB5MZO Sent from my iPad
On Sep 18, 2013, at 11:04 PM, "Tom J. Gentry" <[email protected]> wrote: > While the frustration evidenced in this digest is understandable, perhaps > unknown to us AMSAT are already trying to innovate an alternative to Highly > Elliptical Orbit. Certainly a longer lived orbit would be desirable and a > bird lighter that a P3 sat would perhaps find a cheap ride easier but let us > rethink our path to get to where we want to be. As sure as E=mc^2, > Upmass=$$$$$$$. Even though we started out as hitch hikers to the galaxy, > AMSAT has acquired a significant data base of communications technology that > we will be able to use to get more rides as soon as ITAR gets lifted off our > neck and we can find more programs that can use the AMSAT communications > expertise. > > How about a series of cube sats that are placed high enough (or could be > raised to that orbit) to last for awhile? How about we use other people's > bird's after they are through with their experiments and move them up to > longer lasting orbits and reconfigure the comm system (the one we built for > them) to an amateur radio configuration. If each one of these MEO cube sats > lasts long enough to overlap, pretty soon you have a constellation. > > I probably will not live to see it complete but that is no reason not to > start. The key is to get long lasting orbits with small sats and lots of > them. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:33 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Send AMSAT-BB mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of AMSAT-BB digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: so long (n0jy) >> 2. Re: so long (Iain Young, G7III) >> 3. Re: so long (Yanko Yankov) >> 4. Re: so long (Personal) >> 5. Re: so long (Patrick Green) >> 6. Re: so long (Bob- W7LRD) >> 7. Re: so long (Adrian Engele) >> 8. Re: so long (i8cvs) >> 9. Re: so long (Stefan Wagener) >> 10. Re: so long (Gus) >> 11. Re: so long (John Spasojevich) >> 12. Re: so long (Greg D) >> 13. Re: Space Weather Affect on Satellites ([email protected]) >> 14. Re: so long, try EME (MM) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:19:36 -0500 >> From: n0jy <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Dang. Now what are we going to do? >> >> On 9/17/2013 1:58 PM, John Becker wrote: >>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >>> only satellite >>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other >>> joining AMSAT >>> in the first place. >>> >>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:45:52 +0100 >> From: "Iain Young, G7III" <[email protected]> >> To: n0jy <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> On 17/09/13 20:19, n0jy wrote: >> >>> Dang. Now what are we going to do? >> >> Eat the fish left behind ? :) >> >> >> 73s >> >> Iain >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:46:45 -0500 >> From: Yanko Yankov <[email protected]> >> To: n0jy <[email protected]>, [email protected] >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> I'll tell you what I will do. I'll make me a cup of coffee. >> >> Yanko,NX9G >> >> n0jy <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Dang. Now what are we going to do? >>> >>> On 9/17/2013 1:58 PM, John Becker wrote: >>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >>>> only satellite >>>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other >>>> joining AMSAT >>>> in the first place. >>>> >>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >>>> >>>> John >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >>> author. >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>>> program! >>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >>> author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:12:00 -0500 >> From: Personal <[email protected]> >> To: John Becker <[email protected]> >> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> How will we call you when the ice forms over hell or how do we send a signal >> 6 feet underground? >> >> If you want an AO 40 bird so bad, then make a couple million dollars or win >> the lottery and send it to AMSAT or find a way to help the Germans launch >> P3D...it's been sitting around. >> >> Nah...bitching and quitting...that's the way to get it done..thanks for the >> example. >> >> John AG9D >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:58 PM, John Becker <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only >>> satellite >>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining >>> AMSAT >>> in the first place. >>> >>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:14:01 -0400 >> From: Patrick Green <[email protected]> >> To: Amsat BB <[email protected]> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> Message-ID: >> <CAAhWhXTv22esZdOZf160MAtj=o4tgwelot2bpkmhh5zoym3...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Isn't this the reason why hams end up on HF? Any mode that requires >> infrastructure to operate is going to be this way. I'm sure you've >> experienced this on repeaters if you used them. Perhaps we need a >> kickstarter for the launch of P3E. >> >> 73 >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM, John Becker <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only >>> satellite >>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining >>> AMSAT >>> in the first place. >>> >>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >>> >>> John >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >>> Subscription settings: >>> http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bb<http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Patrick Green >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:25:48 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Bob- W7LRD <[email protected]> >> To: Personal <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> Message-ID: >> >> <589413027.1807382.1379449548845.javamail.r...@sz0209a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> the difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer! >> 73 Bob W7LRD >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Personal" <[email protected]> >> To: "John Becker" <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:12:00 PM >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> >> How will we call you when the ice forms over hell or how do we send a signal >> 6 feet underground? >> >> If you want an AO 40 bird so bad, then make a couple million dollars or win >> the lottery and send it to AMSAT or find a way to help the Germans launch >> P3D...it's been sitting around. >> >> Nah...bitching and quitting...that's the way to get it done..thanks for the >> example. >> >> John AG9D >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:58 PM, John Becker <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only >>> satellite >>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining >>> AMSAT >>> in the first place. >>> >>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:53:01 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Adrian Engele <[email protected]> >> To: Patrick Green <[email protected]>, Amsat BB <[email protected]> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Like this Kickstarter project which was underfunded : >> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597141632/cat-a-thruster-for-interplanetary-cubesats >> >> We hope. >> >> 73, Adrian AA5UK >> >> >> >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Patrick Green <[email protected]> >>> To: Amsat BB <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:14 PM >>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >>> >>> >>> Isn't this the reason why hams end up on HF?? Any mode that requires >>> infrastructure to operate is going to be this way.? I'm sure you've >>> experienced this on repeaters if you used them.? Perhaps we need a >>> kickstarter for the launch of P3E. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM, John Becker <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only >>>> satellite >>>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining >>>> AMSAT >>>> in the first place. >>>> >>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >>>> >>>> John >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >>>> Subscription settings: >>>> http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bb<http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Patrick Green >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 01:02:52 +0200 >> From: "i8cvs" <[email protected]> >> To: "John Becker" <[email protected]>, "Amsat - BBs" >> <[email protected]>, "Martha" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> Message-ID: <000a01ceb3fa$0cb44620$0401a8c0@i8cvs> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Becker" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM >> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long >> >>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >>> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as >>> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. >>> >>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 >>> happens. >>> >>> John >> Hi John,W0JAB >> >> I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided >> to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed >> his policy with only FM satellites. >> >> I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called >> "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments >> and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near >> future. >> >> In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect >> grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and >> particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and >> it was very nice until lasted. >> >> As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL >> to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all >> my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of >> membership. >> >> By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand >> the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write >> many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any >> money reward. >> >> If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order >> of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of >> AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many >> members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no >> HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two >> ways communications between continents was not a >> satisfactory task. >> >> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they >> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using >> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming >> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry ! >> >> 73" de i8CVS Domenico >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 19:27:37 -0500 >> From: Stefan Wagener <[email protected]> >> To: i8cvs <[email protected]> >> Cc: Amsat - BBs <[email protected]>, John Becker >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> Message-ID: >> <CAKu8kHDSxQNmagn=v4ffnvxju6060bd1-u5vx1emubrpcq6...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Domenico, >> >> I am not sure if I understand your post: >> >> "As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO >> satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my >> previous not covered years of membership." >> >> As a matter of fact we don't need a new HEO, we have one or more accurate >> AMSAT-DL has one. It is called Phase 3E! What we need is $10million+ to fly >> it. >> >> "during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles >> for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward." >> >> Well, many folks volunteer and work hard and no, we actually pay to >> volunteer and help and no, we don't expect to get paid! >> >> So, how about you help AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-IT in their efforts to >> find a potential source of money to make that satellite fly. >> >> To quote Clayton (W5PFG) from an earlier post: >> >> "Some of the loudest whining voices are from the non-voting community. >> I've observed this behavior in civic organizations, technical societies, >> fraternities, etc. Usually these are the same people who gripe about how an >> organization spends its money though the complainer never donates a dime." >> >> Rest my case, >> >> Stefan VE4NSA >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, i8cvs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Becker" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM >>> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long >>> >>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >>>> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as >>>> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. >>>> >>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 >>>> happens. >>>> >>>> John >>> Hi John,W0JAB >>> >>> I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided >>> to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed >>> his policy with only FM satellites. >>> >>> I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called >>> "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments >>> and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near >>> future. >>> >>> In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect >>> grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and >>> particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and >>> it was very nice until lasted. >>> >>> As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL >>> to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all >>> my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of >>> membership. >>> >>> By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand >>> the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write >>> many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any >>> money reward. >>> >>> If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order >>> of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of >>> AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many >>> members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no >>> HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two >>> ways communications between continents was not a >>> satisfactory task. >>> >>> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they >>> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using >>> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming >>> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry ! >>> >>> 73" de i8CVS Domenico >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 15:17:47 -0400 >> From: Gus <[email protected]> >> To: John Becker <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> John, >> >> 1) I too pine for the HEO birds. >> >> 2) I have little interest in single-channel FM-only satellites >> >> But! >> >> 1) LEO birds are better than no birds at all. The early OSCARS were all >> LEO and without the learning curve they provided, we would probably >> never have launched AO-10 and AO-13. The challenges nowadays may be >> different (financial rather than technological) but in time we will >> hopefully overcome them. >> >> 2) From what I gather simply by reading this list, the majority of >> transponders flying are linear (NOT single-channel FM) and the same is >> true for the majority of transponders in the pipe. >> >> I respect your decision to drop out of the list and wish you well. >> >> Regards... >> >> -- >> 73, de Gus 8P6SM >> Barbados, the easternmost isle. >> >> >> >> On 09/17/2013 02:58 PM, John Becker wrote: >>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >>> only satellite >>> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other >>> joining AMSAT >>> in the first place. >>> >>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:23:59 -0500 >> From: John Spasojevich <[email protected]> >> To: Stefan Wagener <[email protected]> >> Cc: Amsat - BBs <[email protected]>, John Becker >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> Message-ID: >> <ca+qbou4f6hdxccpj61zo4m2xwxdkqoz3ws0jnavfzsbprvv...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Stefan, I second the comments . >> >> I brace myself every time I go to a hamfest to represent AMSAT. I would >> say I spend 75% of my time getting told that we are a bunch of morons and >> how the person complaining used to be a member but will never join again >> because we don't have a HEO bird. I spend time, politely too, with them >> explaining the world has changed in terms of launch cost and ask them if >> they have any ideas on how we can raise the money, that usually sends them >> on their way. >> >> I came to a great revelation this year looking back on my time as a club >> president, secretary and one of the 10% that actually does something other >> than complain and came to the conclusion that 75% of the rank and file hams >> want to open a box, sit in a chair, plug it in and yak in a microphone and >> complain. The other 25% are involved in experimentation, construction, >> education and pushing the service forward. >> >> The last time I checked, moaning and complaining to another ham who does >> nothing but complain doesn't get anything done. I should think that if >> there was anyone reading this mail service that had $10M to spare, they >> would have bought the launch by now. But go ahead and keep crying to the >> same group, maybe there's a recent lottery winner here. >> >> John AG9D >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Stefan Wagener <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Domenico, >>> >>> I am not sure if I understand your post: >>> >>> "As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO >>> satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my >>> previous not covered years of membership." >>> >>> As a matter of fact we don't need a new HEO, we have one or more accurate >>> AMSAT-DL has one. It is called Phase 3E! What we need is $10million+ to fly >>> it. >>> >>> "during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles >>> for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward." >>> >>> Well, many folks volunteer and work hard and no, we actually pay to >>> volunteer and help and no, we don't expect to get paid! >>> >>> So, how about you help AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-IT in their efforts to >>> find a potential source of money to make that satellite fly. >>> >>> To quote Clayton (W5PFG) from an earlier post: >>> >>> "Some of the loudest whining voices are from the non-voting community. >>> I've observed this behavior in civic organizations, technical societies, >>> fraternities, etc. Usually these are the same people who gripe about how an >>> organization spends its money though the complainer never donates a dime." >>> >>> Rest my case, >>> >>> Stefan VE4NSA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, i8cvs <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "John Becker" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM >>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long >>>> >>>>> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >>>>> only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as >>>>> well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. >>>>> >>>>> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 >>>>> happens. >>>>> >>>>> John >>>> Hi John,W0JAB >>>> >>>> I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided >>>> to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed >>>> his policy with only FM satellites. >>>> >>>> I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called >>>> "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments >>>> and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near >>>> future. >>>> >>>> In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect >>>> grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and >>>> particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and >>>> it was very nice until lasted. >>>> >>>> As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL >>>> to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all >>>> my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of >>>> membership. >>>> >>>> By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand >>>> the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write >>>> many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any >>>> money reward. >>>> >>>> If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order >>>> of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of >>>> AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many >>>> members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no >>>> HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two >>>> ways communications between continents was not a >>>> satisfactory task. >>>> >>>> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they >>>> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using >>>> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming >>>> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry ! >>>> >>>> 73" de i8CVS Domenico >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:00:34 -0700 >> From: Greg D <[email protected]> >> To: i8cvs <[email protected]> >> Cc: Amsat BB <[email protected]> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >> >> I made my first satellite contact in 1993, a year after I was first >> licensed. That first contact was due to a lot of elmering by Walt, >> KA6VNU, and the skill of Mel, KW7E, on the other end of the contact. >> Since then I have made countless contacts on my own, elmered others >> through their first contacts, and learned something from each and every >> one. New puzzles were answered by the many generous and knowledgeable >> participants in this bulletin board, including you. I've had an >> incredible experience, and it's not over yet. >> >> I hardly call that "nothing". >> >> Greg KO6TH >> >> >> i8cvs wrote: >>> Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they >>> promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using >>> the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming >>> rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry ! >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:43:02 -0400 (EDT) >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected], [email protected] >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Space Weather Affect on Satellites >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >> >> >> >> Hi Les,. >> >> >> I know this and I think we do a good job of 365/7/24 with our antenna in >> Bochum. >> We receive and deliver realtime raw data to NASA / NOAA for the Stereo A / >> B project >> Look on the following webpages >> http://amsat-dl.org/index.php/news-mainmenu-97/194-stereo-turbo-amsateng >> http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/beacon/beacon_coverage.shtml >> http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/ >> http://stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov/index.shtml >> >> vy 73, >> >> Michael R. Lengruesser, DD5ER >> >> >> >> >> >> AMSAT-DL e.V. >> -- International Satellites for Communication, >> Science and Education -- >> [email protected] >> http://www.amsat-dl.org >> >> >> >> In einer eMail vom 18.09.2013 01:12:03 Westeurop?ische Sommerzeit schreibt >> [email protected]: >> >> MIT Study of interest to the satellite community: >> http://web.mit.edu/press/2013/space-weather-effects-on-satellites.html >> >> >> -- >> -- >> 73, >> >> Les Rayburn, N1LF >> 121 Mayfair Park >> Maylene, AL 35114 >> EM63nf >> >> 6M VUCC #1712 >> AMSAT #38965 >> Grid Bandits #222 >> Southeastern VHF Society >> Central States VHF Society Life Member >> Six Club #2484 >> >> Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz & Light >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 06:33:55 -0700 (PDT) >> From: MM <[email protected]> >> To: John Becker <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long, try EME >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> >> >> >> EME is a >> good replacement (JT65) >> ? >> There are no >> borders. >> There is no >> politics (no one owns the Moon). >> There are no >> Satellite managers to control which mode is enabled or disabled. >> No person >> can hog the whole repeater. >> The Moon is >> usable 2+ weeks contiguous per month. >> In most countries >> you can run your countries legal limit. >> It?s much >> further away and thus a greater challenge. >> You do not >> need to join a club. >> ? >> And the list >> goes on. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: John Becker <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:58 PM >> Subject: [amsat-bb] so long >> >> >> I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM >> only satellite >> attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other >> joining AMSAT >> in the first place. >> >> Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >> http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> >> End of AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 8, Issue 314 >> **************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
