Youness Alaoui wrote:
ohh well, interesting talk.. I though of that and though of having a
message say "do you want your settings to be reverted to the skins'
settnigs" whenever you change the skin, just in case you choose a
skin, and you overrode everything so the skin looks bad, all that
because you didn't think of looking at it with its own settings (you
overrode skin settings because the old skin you were using was better
with your new personcal settings)..
well, Tom, what you say is true, but then I would ask "that contact
of yours changed his nickname for you to see his message in the nick,
why would you override that with a custom nick and never see what he
was so proud of displaying in his nick (a quote or "my birthday is
tomorrow!!" or whatever).. it's the same concept..
I do see your point, but I'm just worried that it'll be too complicated.
I mean consider the sash thing you mentioned, by default we will have
the option set to show the resize sash so that people can use the
feature. If a user changes their skin and the skin setting chooses to
hide the sash (I'm assuming if the user hasn't specifically set the
option then the skin can override it?), the user will be like "wtf,
where'd my resize-bar thingy go..." so they ask us and we say "oh, wait,
maybe the skin chose to turn it off, you need to go into preferences and
set it back on", then they're like "omg thats so stupid I'm going to use
GAIM" (just kidding but you see the point...) The same goes for display
pictures on the contact list, if a user gets used to having them there,
they'll be annoyed if a skin turns them off. I now revise my original
question - I can see that things that affect the visual 'theme' of Amsn
should be user-configurable and skin-configurable where possible, to
deal with fitting in (like you said, black on white, white on black),
but things that affect the functionality of Amsn, like showing display
pics on the contactlist and showing the resize sash in the chatwindow
should ONLY be user-configurable, NOT skin-configurable. Do people agree
or am I out on a limb here? :D
The idea of overriding the skins settings was brought up when we
talked about being able to choose the smiley's set independantly from
the skin...
Isn't that a different thing - splitting skins into emoticon packs,
widget sets, colour schemes etc..?
example, that sash handle thing/sash width.. that's an option I'd
like to keep, but that guy on the forums didn't want it..
I think his problem was that it was ugly, IIRC he said that he would
like to be able to replace it with an image...
a lot of you like the flashy colors on the 'top' section of
chatwindow for states, I'd like to put them all in one plain color
(for all states) for example... some (on the forums, a lot) ask for
something and I have to say "well, copy your skin and modify it)..
some people want white on black not black on white... it depends..
amsn is customizable.. I do understand that a skin is a skin, but
maybe someone wants a skin with a tatoo :P
for the moment, this feature should be set by the user, not the skin,
because it has nothing to do with the 'skin'.. maybe we'll decide
later to have it as a skin option, but I think, not until we finish
the preferences dialog that lets us override those settings...
KKRT
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:30:18 -0500, Tom Jenkins
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I know I talked to Youness briefly about this before, but.... what
the hell is the point of having an option that both the user and the
skin can set??? The skinner shouldn't care whether display pictures
or little fat buddy pixmaps are shown on the contactlist, it's the
user that cares. The skinner should provide both sets of pixmaps,
and the user should choose which they want. Last time I mentioned
this, Youness said, ok, well why not let the user option override
the skin option. What's the point in that? The whole point of skin
options is for the skinner to be able to choose how their skin
appears to the user - a skin option won't goive the skinner this if
it's going to be overridden by a skin option. Now, I can kinda
understand if this was a setting relating to fonts - maybe a skinner
wants a fancy/different font used... and users W,X & Y like that
font, but user Z doesn't because it doesnt fit in with his desktop
theme or something....THEN it makes sense for the option to be
settable by both the skin and by the user.... but that's one of the
very few examples I can think of that's worth it. Maybe it's just
me, but I find it incredibly stupid! (I'm not accusing/insulting
anyone, just saying what I think of the concept :P)
Anyway, what do other people think?
Tom
Message: 3
From: Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 16:11:33 +0000
Subject: [Amsn-commits] msn gui.tcl,1.1202,1.1203
Update of /cvsroot/amsn/msn
In directory sc8-pr-cvs1.sourceforge.net:/tmp/cvs-serv21037
Modified Files:
gui.tcl Log Message:
Thanks JeeBee
Index: gui.tcl
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/amsn/msn/gui.tcl,v
retrieving revision 1.1202
retrieving revision 1.1203
diff -C2 -d -r1.1202 -r1.1203
*** gui.tcl 25 Jan 2006 07:01:02 -0000 1.1202
--- gui.tcl 25 Jan 2006 16:11:31 -0000 1.1203
***************
*** 34,38 ****
::skin::setKey contact_mobile #404040
::skin::setKey chatwindowbg #EAEAEA
- ::skin::setKey show_contactdps_in_cl 0
::skin::setKey tabbarbg "[::skin::getKey chatwindowbg]"
--- 34,37 ----
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