and with upnp you can forward a port automatically

On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 15:17 -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> ok, if the ip is something like 235.235.235.235 or 255.255.255.255 or  
> whatever, it means it uses UPNP.. UPNP is simply udp packages sent to a  
> specific broadcast IP, so I guess it uses upnp to detect if it's behind  
> upnp router.. but if there is no upnp router, then it must use another way  
> to find whether it is firewalled or not (i think with upnp you can ask the  
> router whether we're firewalled or not).
> 
> KKRT
> 
> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:14:19 -0400, Vivia Nikolaidou  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > fwd-ing phil's mail as he can't send from his sf address...
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:05:14 +0200
> > From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" < >
> > To: vivia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Fw:Re: Proxy (was: Re: [Amsn-devel] WAKE UP EVERYONE!!!!)
> >
> > Hi,
> > from my Uncle's home ;)
> > I already did the sniff and found some interesting things but it seems  
> > it uses UDP to check the connection... Very strange... But anyway I have  
> > the sniff and doesn't seem to be so complicated... It contains the IP  
> > adress in hex form and a port if I remember well... Not sure though and  
> > as I am not at home....
> > Phil
> >
> >  > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> >>
> >> > why name subject 'proxy' ??
> >>
> >> because i am tiiiiiiiiiiired :) ok ppl, false alarm!
> >>
> >> > anyways, the nat detection is very important IMHO, not only do we get
> >> > thousands of reports about "ouhh, it says I'm firewalled", but also,  
> >> in
> >> > the case of an FT, if both use amsn, both are not firewalled but both
> >> > amsns think they are firewalled, they will use the SB, simply because
> >> > FTs don't work the same as webcams...
> >>
> >> yeah but it will work, even if it's slow!
> >>
> >> > disassembling ink will take years, same for audio clips and 'whatever
> >> > fancy M$ thing', while nat detection is not that difficult maybe a
> >> > simple sniff will give us a very simple solution, maybe not... maybe
> >> > we'll need the hostname of the port checker and for that, we'll just
> >> > have to disassemble and look for 'nat' in the strings the executable
> >> > contains.. maybe there's a proprietary hash that needs to be RE-ed and
> >> > in that case, it will take too long and at that point it's not  
> >> necessary
> >> > anymore, we'll have to find another server than MS servers... but I
> >> > still think it's worth it to spend some time on this issue...
> >>
> >> yeah, if you put it this way :) if we can find it without RE-ing, sure!
> >>
> >> now who's going to sniff M$N? :P
> >>
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