which means : if you're a student from another country (scholar visa) you pay the full 10 000$ if you're a citizen (or immigrant) of canada but not of Quebec, you pay maybe 4 000$ (funded by government of canada) if you're canadian and quebecois, you pay 2000 $ (funded by government of canada AND quebec)
most people think they only pay 2000$, but in the end, the school still receives 10 000$ per person... a real scam! KKRT On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:48:14 -0400, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's no private university in Quebec, everything is funded by the > government at a very high %. > Le 29 juin 2006 à 12:13, Philippe Valembois - Phil a écrit : > >> Is it a private university ? >> (Anyway, it's out of question for me to go at your Univ :p) >> Phil >> >> Le Thursday 29 June 2006 18:10, Youness Alaoui a écrit : >>> ouch, at poly (my school) they really fucked us good... >>> long story short, they made us pay for a 'special program' where >>> laptops >>> were mandatory in classes and the laptops HAD to be the uni's >>> laptops, for >>> which we had to pay alot (1500$ a year..) to RENT them (can't buy >>> and we >>> had to rent their laptops even if we had one already). And we had >>> a huge >>> flamewar with the managers of the program where we isnulted them and >>> everything (around 50 emails a day for almost a month, with very >>> furious >>> students) and they said the prices were high because of the licenses, >>> which in the end was false because we verified the license fees >>> directly >>> with the suppliers and they said that the prices the uni gave us were >>> wrong and some licenses were a 'one license, unlimited users', so >>> they >>> didn't have to pay anything... anyways. Their insurance was that >>> we would >>> have the top-notch, latest laptop every year, and everyone would >>> have all >>> the softwares installed for the courses... >>> 1 - most of the software installed for which we were paying >>> hundreds of >>> dollars of licenses were NEVER used because we didn't have any >>> courses >>> that needed them >>> 2 - after one year, they told us 'fuck you' and they wanted to >>> give us >>> again the old pcs.. that's where the riot exploded.. >>> in the end, we wanted to keep the laptops because the price we >>> paid was >>> already the price of a new laptop, and those laptops were so lame, >>> they >>> were really crappy ones (and they were celeron 800 iirc, it was 4 >>> years >>> ago I think) but they decided to be 'nice' and wanted to SELL them >>> to us >>> for an additional 1500$ ... >>> in the end, they sold them to first year students, whcih knew >>> nothing of >>> the whole thing and bought used, obsolete, half destroyed laptops >>> at the >>> price of a new laptop.. (they were celeron 800, and at that time, >>> I had >>> just bought a centrino 1.5GHz, so it was still very obsolete)... >>> >>> the project was renamed "projet arnaque" (project scam) and >>> Polytechnique >>> is now known by us as being not a school but a research facility >>> where the >>> the money is funded by the students of which the administrations >>> think of >>> as "oil facilities" (on nous prends pour des puits de petrole) or >>> cows >>> (they're trying to milk us). >>> >>> just a little OT to tell you how we got screwed... >>> >>> >>> KaKaRoTo >>> >>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 05:54:51 -0400, Vivia Nikolaidou >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> wrote: >>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Youness Alaoui wrote: >>>>> at uni, but you don't have access to the CDs to install it on your >>>>> laptop >>>>> or at home for example, no ? >>>> >>>> For us here, we just go to somewhere on a M$ website with our >>>> univ un/pw, >>>> and we can either download everything we like (apart frmo M$ >>>> Office) or >>>> ask them to put it on a CD for us and go fetch it at the NOC. >>>> That's for >>>> what you install at home. PCs at the university have their own >>>> licenses. >>>> >>>> And it's what Jerome said, it's a license for all the students at >>>> a very >>>> reduced price for those who pay it. >>>> >>>>> KKRT >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:10:17 -0400, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer >>>>> >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> For us, we have everything free at University, legal. >>>>>> >>>>>> Visual Studio Full Version .net, Windows XP Pro SP2, and almost >>>>>> all >>>>>> Microsoft products. >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 28 juin 2006 à 12:08, Philippe Valembois - Phil a écrit : >>>>>>> I think it's a good idea as I use only VC++6 (official version >>>>>>> bought at >>>>>>> reduced prices as a student) except for Winflash... (For that >>>>>>> please look at >>>>>>> my other mail :d) >>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le Tuesday 27 June 2006 23:22, Youness Alaoui a écrit : >>>>>>>> Nah, not stupid, I was about to suggest it (which is why it's >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> stupid >>>>>>>> ^o) :P) >>>>>>>> We already have some project files, but not all.. we >>>>>>>> have .vcproj >>>>>>>> and .sln >>>>>>>> for tkcximage I think but that's the .NET project files, I >>>>>>>> prefer >>>>>>>> the .dsp >>>>>>>> and .dsw files, anyways, whatever we add, it should be the same >>>>>>>> version of >>>>>>>> VS for all the projects (I would vote for .dsp/.dsw.. if someone >>>>>>>> has .NEt, >>>>>>>> then VS will convert the dsp file, if you have only VS6 and we >>>>>>>> used .sln >>>>>>>> files, it just won't be able to open it). >>>>>>>> Also, I dont' want any .opt or .ncb files, only the .dsp + .dsw >>>>>>>> files are >>>>>>>> needed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> KKRT >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:09:16 -0400, Sander Hoentjen >>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> pleased to meet you, I am big brother, and I am watching you :P >>>>>>>>> Anyway, isn't it a good idea to keep project files on svn, just >>>>>>>>> as we >>>>>>>>> have Makefile etc, or is that a stupid thing to say? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 23:06 +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I said to myself : I hope nobody will ask for this change :p >>>>>>>>>> Hehem... :d >>>>>>>>>> It's simply because I think we shouldn't have to modify the >>>>>>>>>> code >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> decide if >>>>>>>>>> we want to compile with stubs or not... >>>>>>>>>> I added these defines in the project file (which isn't on the >>>>>>>>>> repo) so >>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>> want to disable stubs for any reason, it's only on my project >>>>>>>>>> and the >>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>> isn't compromised.... >>>>>>>>>> So don't worry, defines are here but not in the same place... >>>>>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Le Tuesday 27 June 2006 22:41, Sander Hoentjen a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 13:11 -0700, >>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Modified: trunk/amsn/utils/windows/winutils/winutils.h >>>>> >>>>> ================================================================= >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> == >>>>>>>>>>>> --- trunk/amsn/utils/windows/winutils/winutils.h 2006-06-27 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 18:39:50 UTC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (rev 6987) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +++ trunk/amsn/utils/windows/winutils/winutils.h 2006-06-27 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 20:11:40 UTC (rev 6988) @@ -10,9 +10,6 @@ >>>>>>>>>>>> #ifndef _WINUTILS >>>>>>>>>>>> #define _WINUTILS >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -#define USE_TCL_STUBS >>>>>>>>>>>> -#define USE_TK_STUBS >>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why? I don't know much but in the man pages I read: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Enabling the stubs mechanism for an extension requires the >>>>>>>>>>> following >>>>>>>>>>> steps: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1) >>>>>>>>>>> Call Tcl_InitStubs in the extension before calling >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tcl >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> functions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2) >>>>>>>>>>> Define the USE_TCL_STUBS symbol. Typically, you would >>>>>>>>>>> include >>>>>>>>>>> the -DUSE_TCL_STUBS flag when compiling the >>>>>>>>>>> extension. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 3) >>>>>>>>>>> Link the extension with the Tcl stubs library instead >>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>> standard Tcl library. On Unix platforms, the library >>>>>>>>>>> name is >>>>>>>>>>> libtclstub8.1.a; on Windows platforms, the library >>>>>>>>>>> name >>>>> >>>>> is >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> tclstub81.lib. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If the extension also requires the Tk API, it must also call >>>>>>>>>>> Tk_InitStubs to initialize the Tk stubs interface and link >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> the Tk >>>>>>>>>>> stubs libraries. See the Tk_InitStubs page for more >>>>>>>>>>> information. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So.. I don't understand why you removed them. I know you will >>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>> good reason but I just want to know it too :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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Need to support web services, >>>>> >>>>> security? >>>>> >>>>>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make >>>>>> your job >>>>>> easier >>>>>> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >>>>>> Geronimo >>>>> >>>>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >>>>> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Amsn-devel mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> KaKaRoTo >>>>> >>>>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >>>>> security? >>>>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make >>>>> your job >>>>> easier >>>>> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >>>>> Geronimo >>>>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >>>>> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Amsn-devel mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> "Where is the life that we have lost in living? >>>> Where is the wisdom that we have lost in knowledge? >>>> Where is the knowledge that we have lost in information?" >>>> >>>> OEO; >> >> >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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