Ah ok, I didn't know we need mods for the code (for those who don't know, it's only so that AP can buiilt a universal binary which will work with any stdc++ version and no matter which gcc the user had, etc...) ok then, we'll do the experiment for RC2, in the meantime, we can still set up a non-universal (static link ?) RC1 with AP and have the poll... make AP the first one clickaable + the combobox for OTHER distros.. have a 'if this didn't work, then try downloading a distro specific package).. look at the download page for www.inkscape.org I like the way they did it (with the link to the howto) anyways, about the dependency, in AP we can specify a repository path for dependencies, so we could have Tcl/Tk AP packages and put them somewhere on a server and have AP download them if needed.. but that doesn't matter, because AP has a depsolver which will call apt-get or yum to solve the dependencies before installing, that would only apply to users who don't have a yum/apt capable system... does that answer your question ?
KKRT On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 05:41:41PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: > No, Youness ! > It won't be doable for RC1 because autopackage needs some mods in the > compiled > code to be portable... > As RC1 is already tagged we need to tag another version with these mods... > In addition, what about Tcl/Tk ? Currently there is the check... > But what will happen if some user won't have Tcl/Tk : it will say "Hey, I > need > tcl/tk : install it" Good but now what the user will do ? With Deb and Rpm it > would say I need Tcl/Tk so I will install it... > Here the users launches the package it says it misses Tcl/Tk and after we > have > to switch to another software to install the missing piece... Very bad... > Phil > > Le Friday 07 July 2006 17:13, Youness Alaoui a ?crit?: > > Humm.. thanks for noticing.. we'll have to put it again in a different > > filename to avoid the problems with had with the mirrors when 0.95 was > > released... > > About autopackage, here is a discussion I just had in the channel.. in > > short, let's give ONLY Autopackage for download... keep a link, not too > > easy to find, that would say 'hey, if you're a native package system > > religious kind of person, click here to access your distro's specific > > package" where we'll put the packages you guys did (too stupid to waste > > that effort...) > > Someone will also have to set up a poll in the webpage asking about the > > autopackage, I don't know much about the questions we could put but here > > are some ideas : > > What do you think about the linux packages aMSN provides : > > 1 - I use windows/mac so I don't care > > 2 - All I want is for it to work, no matter which package I use > > 3 - I really like autopackage and would want to use it > > 4 -I'm too religious about my native distribution's > > packaging system, so I don't want to use anything else by > > my distro's specific package > > 5 - no opinion/don't care > > > > Now, here's the log : > > > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> I have one more small question.. how easy would it be to > > create an empty rpm/deb with the autopackage embedded, which will extract > > the autopackage to a temp dir and with a pre-install script that launches > > the autopackage binary, and a pre-uninstall script that launchs 'package > > remove' ? <KaKaRoTo-KS> (is it even possible ? I don't know much about > > packaging...) --- TD[gone] is now known as TD > > <TD> KaKaRoTo-KS: i guess you could do > > <TD> KaKaRoTo-KS: but it begs the question - why? > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> TD: the reason why is simple : we want to have only one > > package (AP) but I'm sure most of our users will want to use their default > > distro's packaging system instead of having an additional packaging > > system... > > <TD> wrapping it in an rpm won't solve that > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> We're tired of having around 10 packages (and our release has > > been delayed for several weeks so we can get our hands on all the packages > > we need before officialising the next release) so we thought it might be > > best to have only one generic RPM and one generic DEB > > <TD> ultimately autopackage exists because the distros native packaging > > systems aren't good enough .... <TD> yeah well that's how some projects do > > it > > <TD> actually it seems most users don't mind having an extra package type > > on their system <TD> it's not been an issue for inkscape, for example > > <TD> you might get a few who are religious about it > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> problem is that it's not easy to have generic rpms/debs so we > > thought about using AP core to detect where to put desktop files, etc... > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> ok > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> you really think 'a few' will be religious about it ? > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> I would think a lot of people would be.. > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> we have a userbase of around 1 million users (mac/windows > > users included) <KaKaRoTo-KS> and I really think people will start > > complaining > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> I'm ready to take the risk, release the RC1 of our next > > version with AP only and see what it gives us > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> but for one, I would prefer to use my native packaging system > > :) <TD> well, i can only go from experience > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> yeah, good point > > <TD> probably depends partly on what the program is. most of inkscapes > > users are arty types who don't get that religious about stuff like > > packaging > > <TD> they just want it to work, in other words > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> and if the experience says that 50% (an example) of our users > > will refuse to install the product because they don't find their distro's > > rpm/deb ? are you thinking about a solution ? <KaKaRoTo-KS> humm.. well, > > our users also would only want it to work... the project is aMSN, a > > multiplatform MSN messenger client > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> instant messenging.. mostly depends on tcl/tk > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> no other lib* dependency.. > > <TD> ah ok > > <TD> i thought you already had an autopackage? > > <TD> i suspect most people won't install if they don't see a distro > > specific RPM/DEB because they've learned the hard way it won't work > > otherwise > > <TD> eg installing a mandrake rpm on red hat won't necessarily work > > <TD> and as the alternative of handling source code is hard/painful ..... > > --> pauluk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has joined #autopackage > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> yes, we do have an autopackage, but we also have other > > packages.. we'd want to minimize the number of packages we have, that's the > > aim > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> > > http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=54091&package_id=4869 > >2&release_id=37621 <KaKaRoTo-KS> here are all our packages and the number of > > downloads of each <KaKaRoTo-KS> seems AP is not 'ignored'... it has been > > downloaded several times indeed <KaKaRoTo-KS> TD: Thanks for the help > > <TD> sorry > > <TD> am in 3 conversations at once > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> I'll tell the others to try providing the AP package only and > > see the results.. I'll also set up a poll in our website to see what users > > think > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> nah, don't worry, I know what it means to give support :) > > <TD> right, ok, will be an interesting experiment > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> you've been helpfull already > > <TD> if people want RPMs of course they can also be contributed > > <TD> or you can just say "well send them to your distro repository" > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> yes > > <TD> a few people will complain but most users never post to anything > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> I wanted a rpm/deb that would be generic for all distros > > because it has autopackage embeded in it > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> this way all of your hard work will be used to determine what > > to install where, etc.. <KaKaRoTo-KS> but people will still don't see it > > (so won't complain :)) <KaKaRoTo-KS> if the experiment turns out bad, we'll > > try to do that <TD> heh > > <TD> well i think they'd notice .... > > <TD> ok > > <TD> i shall follow it with interest > > <KaKaRoTo-KS> they'd notice but they won't yell (purpose: not please the > > users, just prevent them from asking questions and wastnig our time by > > giving useless support :P) > > > > > > KKRT > > > > On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 03:43:37PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: > > > Le Friday 07 July 2006 12:40, Vivia Nikolaidou a ?crit?: > > > > On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Youness Alaoui wrote: > > > > > WHEN IS THE 0.96 GONNA BE RELEASED... AT LEAST RC1.. damn it... RC1 > > > > > is so outdated now, I wonder if it's worth it to release it now... > > > > > here's what I think, release the nsis installer for windows (yeah, we > > > > > might drop bitrock completly, nsis is much more advanced, maybe once > > > > > bitrock becomes more mature, we'll use it...) and the autopackage for > > > > > linux, and forget about the other binaries, maybe create a full list > > > > > of packages for the final 0.96 release, but for RC1, let's have an > > > > > autopackage and STOP WASTING TIME!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Hum... There was a trouble with the tar.gz : it was corrupted so all > > > mirrors are wrong with it... > > > The tar.bz2 is good... > > > I am doing FC4 RPM > > > And it will just miss DMG and ebuild to release... > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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