who gives a shit about vivia? and why are you talking about women's breasts in the mailing list? this ML should be children friendly! just kidding.. shirts for women also need to be 'female shirts', the way the shirt is is different, I don't think that would be an issue though, problem is how many do we want.. There is vivia, yes, there will be some geeky girls at fosdem, yes (and a lot more than you might think, at guadec and now in LCA, there seems to be a huge amount of girls in here, which is surprising, and we don't want to exclude them!), but also, I'm sure many of us would like to take a woman's shirt back with them for their girlfriend/wife... so everything you said is very important and does make a lot of sense, and if you weren't there we probably wouldn't have thought about it, so thx :) I just hope it doesn't make things too complicated for us.. (in theory the way it will look will vaguely depend on the breasts' size, right? and also on the size of the shirt, whether the girl likes small/close-to-the-body shirts, or likes them more hip-hop style...) Anyways, vivia, what do you think, decision's on you :p
KaKaRoTo On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 10:32:42AM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote: > Seems like it. Make sure the grey's are black with transparancy with > no background, in your svg. When converted to pdf it's like "black on > white" (in a pdf viewer) but then the white isn't in the pdf-source in > fact. The size of the print on the shirt is maximum 32x30 cm > (heigthxwidth). So make the pdf that size and have the image itself > float somewhere nice in it. (Note: could you make sure to use > centimeters instead of inches ? :)) > The only problem with a front-print is if we were to give Tshirts away > to women (Vivia e.g., don't expect a lot of females on FOSDEM). When > the print is too high it will be half on the breast, half underneath > which makes it look weird. Also in the width it looks weird when it's > too small or too big. When words or sentences are placed on the height > of the breast it can make things look wrong too for women, I know. I > had problems before with this kind of things :| ... but I handled it > by only printing a small emblem on the top left of the shirt and > having a big print on the back .. but then again it was not what I > liked :). > We could just act like we didn't know this and go on making shirts > that look best on men but at least I'd like to have Vivia's idea about > this. (therefor sending to the list and to Vivia in private too - so > she shouldn't miss this) > > Karel > > 2008/1/28, Lee Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Karel, > > > > Is this the type of design you need for printing? (this was made in .svg > > format and exported to .png) I'll send you the source once we're ready to > > print. > > > > http://www.amsn-project.net/~lee/mockups/amsn-tshirt3.png > > > > Lee > > > > On Jan 27, 2008 4:14 AM, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I like the designs very much. 2 points: > > > * for the url, I like www.amsn-project the most but somehow the "www" > > > prefix is deprecated (http://no-www.org/). Without the prefix you > > > could argue that it isn't clear enough that it's a URL though. Adding > > > http:// might make it too geeky again. I've seen a lot of "domain.be" > > > kind of things already in advertisement so in fact I think most pp > > > will reconise it as a URL .. but that's to be discussed > > > * for the design itself: can it be you're using greyshades now ? > > > Ifso, you shouldn't :). If we choose to only use one color (white) > > > you can have transparant regions where the blue will shine through but > > > you can't use grey ... :) > > > To make the order, I need a black on white pdf where all the black (or > > > greyshades) will become shades of white and the white will be > > > transparant. a pdf or a scalable adobe format is ok. > > > > > > Karel. > > > > > > 2008/1/27, Tom Hennigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nice! I like the design! I would vote "http://www.amsn-project.net/"; or > > > > "www.amsn-project.net", but don't really mind either way lol. > > > > > > > > - Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 26 Jan 2008, at 23:48, Lee Olson wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I've put together another example for the t-shirt if we go with the > > 1-side > > > > design idea (added the website to the front design). Would we want > > > > http://amsn-project.net, www.amsn-project.net, or > > > > http://www.amsn-project.net as the text shown? (personally i think > > > > www.amsn-project.net looks cleaner) > > > > > > http://www.amsn-project.net/~lee/mockups/amsn-tshirt2.png > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2008 4:59 AM, Tom Hennigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Heya, > > > > > > > > > > I like the design a lot =] As far as 1 side vs 2, 2 is better for me, > > > > > but 1 seems much more economical, and the idea is to promote aMSN so > > > > > we'll want as many shirts as possible. > > > > > > > > > > If the shirt is only one sided, it may be worth putting > > > > http://amsn-project.net > > > > > somewhere on the front of the shirt... > > > > > > > > > > - Tom > > > > > > > > > > ps. I'm not sure how good the printer is, but the shadow (from the top > > > > > row of 3) under the text may not be clear when it's printed.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 26 Jan 2008, at 08:33, Karel Demeyer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ik like 'm very much. But, the prices I put on the wiki are for > > > > > > 1sided prints only now. For 2 sides you can do the math, adding an > > > > > > extra cliché cost (25 euro/total) and printing cost (0,40 euro/pc), > > > > > > and adding taxes again. I don't know it the back is really needed > > as > > > > > > when you wear a bag on your back or some clothes overneith it, the > > > > > > back is always covered .. on the other hand I already made a T-shirt > > > > > > with publicity for an event and we only had a print on the back for > > > > > > it because when ppl want to read it an it's on your back it doesn't > > > > > > make 'm look like theu're staring at you and have them feel at ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > So .. what do you think ? front only (my suggestion), back and > > front, > > > > > > back only ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Karel. > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: if we decide upon this one, I'll need the desin in a > > > > > > black-on-white scalable PDF (or adobe scalable grafics file format) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008/1/26, Lee Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > >> Hi Everyone, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Please take a look at the t-shirt design idea that I came up with > > > > > >> and let me > > > > > >> know which version you like best. Feel free to leave other > > > > > >> suggestions if > > > > > >> you have any. > > > > > >> > > > > > > http://www.amsn-project.net/~lee/mockups/amsn-tshirt.png > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks! > > > > > >> Lee > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Jan 25, 2008 12:57 AM, Youness Alaoui > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >>> Hey, > > > > > >>> Great to see you! > > > > > >>> Here's the current status : > > > > > >> http://www.amsn-project.net/wiki/FOSDEM_2008 > > > > > >>> There's a shirt design there, and a link to a design made by a > > > > > >>> forumer.. > > > > > >> if you could read the details and take a look to see if you can > > > > > >> come up > > > > > >>> with something!! we need a graphics artist's skills on this one :) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> take care! > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> KaKaRoTo > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 12:55:00AM -0600, Lee Olson wrote: > > > > > >>>> Hi Everyone, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Sorry to respond so late on this, but if you still need some > > > > > >>>> touch-ups > > > > > >> done > > > > > >>>> on the T-shirt design, please let me know. I'll also be in the > > > > > >>>> amsn > > > > > >> channel > > > > > >>>> as leeo if you would like to discuss it more. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Thanks! > > > > > >>>> Lee > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Jan 21, 2008 1:36 AM, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> Hi, I'll answer both your mails at once; > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> about the colors: we can have as many colors as we want but it > > > > > >>>>> weill > > > > > >> cost > > > > > >>>>> per color a "clich" and a print .. and then still, you'll have > > > > > >>>>> only 2 > > > > > >>>>> colors, not all the combinations of this colors (this is not the > > > > > >>>>> same > > > > > >> like > > > > > >>>>> when you print posters, where you pay for each color but if you > > > > > >>>>> choose > > > > > >> 3 > > > > > >>>>> good colors you can make about anything). Which means when we > > > > > >>>>> would > > > > > >> have 2 > > > > > >>>>> colors it would still suck. Therefor I think it's better to > > > > > >>>>> make it > > > > > >> only > > > > > >>>>> one color .. you can have lighter shades of this color but this > > > > > >>>>> won't > > > > > >> make > > > > > >>>>> the background really shine through (don't know if I'm > > > > > >> understandable). > > > > > >>>>> Ok, if we give out the T-shirts to a lot of ppl, we About the > > > > > >> senshould'n > > > > > >>>>> have the "crew" thing on it. Let's just drop it. I hope Lee or > > > > > >>>>> Gus > > > > > >> or Tom > > > > > >>>>> or whoever can help us out as I'm not all that good with this > > > > > >>>>> kind of > > > > > >>>>> graphics (though I know some things about "spatial" design, > > > > > >>>>> maybe you > > > > > >> could > > > > > >>>>> see this ;)). > > > > > >>>>> For the prices .. I'll calculate 'm for 100 pcs and update the > > > > > >>>>> wiki. > > > > > >>>>> normally from 100 pcs and up we'll have a discount. I got the > > > > > >>>>> prices > > > > > >> from > > > > > >>>>> their website (which is ugly and Dutch-only: > > > > > >>>>> http://www.proshirt.be/Prijslijst.htm). I > > already > > > > > >> had 3 shirts made there > > > > > >>>>> in the last year and those ppl have always be great and it's the > > > > > >> cheapest > > > > > >>>>> solution in my surroundings (I did a research for this a year > > > > > >>>>> ago and > > > > > >>>>> checked out several firms, things could have changed by now but > > I > > > > > >> don't > > > > > >>>>> think it will be much). > > > > > >>>>> For the T-shirt design, the available colors (for the shirt) > > are: > > > > > >> white, > > > > > >>>>> ash, black, navy, natural, sand, chocolat, gold, orange, red, > > > > > >>>>> 3xblue, > > > > > >> denim, > > > > > >>>>> brick, burgundy, 2xgreen, grey, abricot, mistygreen > > > > > >>>>> If you don't know what these are, the most of 'm are on > > wikipedia, > > > > > >> though > > > > > >>>>> I don't know what 3xblue and 2xgreen are ... > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> So I'll update the wiki, stay stuned! > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Karel. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> PS: the design should be sort of finished in a week for the best > > > > > >>>>> as, > > > > > >> if > > > > > >>>>> they wouldn't have our choice of shirt in stock anymore enough > > it > > > > > >> would take > > > > > >>>>> some weeks. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> 2008/1/21, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> By the way, just saw the prices, and it's really good.. but the > > > > > >>>>>> calculations should be done on a different amount.. 50 or maybe > > > > > >> 100.. 25 is > > > > > >>>>>> for sure > > > > > >>>>>> too low, 50 is probably good, 100 is overkill but will allow us > > > > > >>>>>> to > > > > > >> give > > > > > >>>>>> some at fosdem and bring a few to our girlfriends :p > > > > > >>>>>> + The list of contributers in the wiki probably needs more > > > > > >>>>>> names.. > > > > > >> if we > > > > > >>>>>> add all the translators, we could easily blow up the 50 people > > > > > >> point... > > > > > >>>>>> In any case, for 100 shirts, it would make it 4.48 euros per > > > > > >>>>>> shirt, > > > > > >>>>>> which is also a very good price (unless they do an even better > > > > > >>>>>> price > > > > > >> for 100 > > > > > >>>>>> shirts.. if not, we'll take 101 and get a discount :p > > > > > >>>>>> Karel, can you give us those numbers? Also maybe adding a link > > to > > > > > >> where > > > > > >>>>>> you got that info, the website or whatever (unless you went > > there > > > > > >> and asked > > > > > >>>>>> face to face). > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> About the shirt design, now I see it with the blue.. and it's > > not > > > > > >> that > > > > > >>>>>> great... Maybe if it was on a real shirt design, to see how/ > > > > > >>>>>> where it > > > > > >> would > > > > > >>>>>> be > > > > > >>>>>> placed, it would look better.. anyways, a bit of work is needed > > > > > >> there > > > > > >>>>>> and we should get someone to do it. I'll try to reach Lee or > > > > > >>>>>> TomJ. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> KaKaRoTo > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 04:41:23PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>> Yeah, sure, I gave my comments to vivia and I think she game > > > > > >>>>>>> them > > > > > >> to > > > > > >>>>>> you.. > > > > > >>>>>>> mainly, the 'development CREW'.. the 'CREW' is too big... and > > we > > > > > >> want > > > > > >>>>>> to avoid specific stuff like that since it would be best to > > > > > >>>>>> have one > > > > > >> t shirt > > > > > >>>>>> and > > > > > >>>>>>> give it to all (contributers, forumers, etc..), and we also > > > > > >>>>>>> would > > > > > >> like > > > > > >>>>>> to give some of the shirts at FOSDEM to 'promote' amsn. > > > > > >>>>>>> The logo is ok with me, but I undrstood that we can only have > > it > > > > > >> in > > > > > >>>>>> one color ? would have been nice to have the blue/green real > > > > > >>>>>> logo as > > > > > >> we > > > > > >>>>>>> currently have it on aMSN. > > > > > >>>>>>> Oh, and the sentence in the bottom, no locking in, no locking > > > > > >> out... > > > > > >>>>>> hum.. it takes hours of thinking to understand the meaning.. we > > > > > >> should > > > > > >>>>>> probably > > > > > >>>>>>> find another tag line :) > > > > > >>>>>>> That's it. > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> KaKaRoTo > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 10:40:21AM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>> On a slightly other note: could you please check the wiki > > page > > > > > >> for > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tshirt-design ? I got some comments from Vivia about the > > > > > >>>>>>>> slogan > > > > > >> and > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>> logo. About the logo: I'm not an svg artist. If the logo > > > > > >>>>>>>> isn't > > > > > >>>>>> allright I > > > > > >>>>>>>> hope Gus can fix it :). For the slogan: give some ideas as > > > > > >> quickly > > > > > >>>>>> as you > > > > > >>>>>>>> can. > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Karel. > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> 2008/1/20, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks all for answering so fast!!! > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Anyways, just an update, Phil and I decided that we should > > > > > >> fund > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>> accomodation for everyone. So we'll choose a nice hotel near > > > > > >> the > > > > > >>>>>> conference > > > > > >>>>>>>>> WITH > > > > > >>>>>>>>> WIFI! :) > > > > > >>>>>>>>> You guys will only have to worry about the transportation > > and > > > > > >> not > > > > > >>>>>> about > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the additional cost of the hotel. > > > > > >>>>>>>>> We can still fund some of you who don't have the money and > > > > > >> want to > > > > > >>>>>> come. > > > > > >>>>>>>>> note: Funding is for developers ONLY. > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> And by the way, registration to the FOSDEM conference is > > free, > > > > > >> so > > > > > >>>>>> you > > > > > >>>>>>>>> don't need to add that as an extra cost.. just the price of > > > > > >> the > > > > > >>>>>> train/plane > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to > > > > > >>>>>>>>> get there + your food + gifts if any, etc.. the conference > > is > > > > > >>>>>> free, the > > > > > >>>>>>>>> hotel is free (paid by us) and we can pay some or all of the > > > > > >>>>>> travel expense > > > > > >>>>>>>>> (depending if you live in france or australia :p). > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> KaKaRoTo > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 07:27:46PM -0500, Youness Alaoui > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> We've just had a very exciting discution over IRC about the > > > > > >>>>>> upcoming > > > > > >>>>>>>>> FOSDEM conference in brussel. We are at least 6 aMSN > > > > > >> developers > > > > > >>>>>> who will be > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> attending this conference (not initially intending to do > > so, > > > > > >> but > > > > > >>>>>> in > > > > > >>>>>>>>> order to meet up with other amsn devs, yes..), so this > > year's > > > > > >>>>>> FOSDEM > > > > > >>>>>>>>> conference > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> will be an official/unofficial meeting place for aMSN > > > > > >>>>>> developers! :) > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> The conference will be at brussels on the 23th and 24th of > > > > > >>>>>> february > > > > > >>>>>>>>> (saturday and sunday), everyone is invited to come, and it > > > > > >> would > > > > > >>>>>> be great to > > > > > >>>>>>>>> be > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> able to meet all of you guys! > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> The aMSN Project can fund some of you if you don't have any > > > > > >>>>>> money to go > > > > > >>>>>>>>> there. Funding could be for the train/plane/hotel. You are > > > > > >>>>>> encouraged to > > > > > >>>>>>>>> fund > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> yourself if you can, but if you can't, don't hesitate to > > > > > >> ask. > > > > > >>>>>> Funding > > > > > >>>>>>>>> will be limited and only available to developers. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I've set up a wiki page that you can fill > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > http://www.amsn-project.net/wiki/FOSDEM_2008 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> If your name does not appear in there, we'll consider > > you're > > > > > >> not > > > > > >>>>>> going. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> It might also be useful to have everyone's cell phone > > number > > > > > >>>>>> (for those > > > > > >>>>>>>>> attending), but for privacy reasons, do not put them on the > > > > > >> wiki, > > > > > >>>>>> so send me > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your phone numbers by mail, I'll build a phonebook and send > > > > > >> a > > > > > >>>>>> copy to > > > > > >>>>>>>>> those that will be joining us, so we can more efficiently > > meet > > > > > >> up > > > > > >>>>>> and not > > > > > >>>>>>>>> get > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lost. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Many details are still missing but hopefully we'll figure > > > > > >> out > > > > > >>>>>> everything > > > > > >>>>>>>>> soon enough. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> For now, no 'limit date' to 'apply' is set, but sometimes > > > > > >> soon > > > > > >>>>>> we'll > > > > > >>>>>>>>> have to close the deal and say that anyone not having his > > list > > > > > >> in > > > > > >>>>>> the wiki > > > > > >>>>>>>>> will > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> not be considered as joining us (you can still come, but > > you > > > > > >>>>>> might not > > > > > >>>>>>>>> get a t-shirt, or you might have to find hotel/accomodations > > > > > >> by > > > > > >>>>>> yourself, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> etc...). > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Someone promoting himself as secretary/organizer/whatever > > > > > >> would > > > > > >>>>>> be > > > > > >>>>>>>>> welcomed, I'm not a good organizer, so don't count on me for > > > > > >>>>>> reserving > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> flights/hotels so if someone can do it, that would be cool > > > > > >> to > > > > > >>>>>> have it > > > > > >>>>>>>>> well organized. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> The conference is in 5 weeks, so start looking right now at > > > > > >> your > > > > > >>>>>> travel > > > > > >>>>>>>>> possibilities! > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See you soon! :) > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> KaKaRoTo > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Defy all challenges. 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