+1 We should always be careful about baking assumptions of EnWIki origin into metrics and tools that are intended for use across our projects.
- J On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Dario Taraborelli < [email protected]> wrote: > to add some context to the present approach, you may remember that when we > defined Editor Model metrics we started from the highest possible level of > aggregation (i.e. all namespaces combined, archive table included). See > rationale below from a previous email exchange: > > we tried to stick to two general principles: > > 1) we want to count users making contributions to a project as a whole. > Establishing that only “content activity” should be considered means > that someone uploading a picture, editing a template, drafting an article > outside of ns0 (we have a new Draft namespace), writing or contributing to > a new policy, helping coordinate a wikiproject, i.e. all fundamental > activities that contribute to the growth of the project, would be > discounted as an editor. By this token, someone writing an entire article > outside of the main namespace would not be included as an editor while a > vandal fighter only reverting edits at the push of a button would be > considered as a contributor. The point I’m trying to make is that > establishing what “content” means is very arbitrary and we should have a > measure of overall participation to a project, followed by more granular > metrics by type of contribution (see next point). > > 2) instead of starting with a list of exclusions (i.e. we will only > measure a subset of ns0 edits on articles meeting specific criteria such as > countable pages), we will introduce breakdowns that inform us about > specific types of activity. “Namespace” is a possible proxy for types of > content, but not necessarily the best or the only one. One day, I’d like to > be able to monitor active typo-fixers or template-editors, but I believe we > should start from the highest possible level and count total activity or > total unique editors before breaking them down. > > Adding a NS dimension or other criteria to filter top-level metrics sounds > like a totally legitimate request *as a metric breakdown.* > > Dario > > On Nov 4, 2014, at 12:55 PM, James Forrester <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Thanks Toby! :-) > > On 4 November 2014 12:38, Toby Negrin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Created tracking bug -- please add yourselves to the cc if desired. >> >> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72973 >> >> -Toby >> >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:07 PM, James Forrester < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On 4 November 2014 12:00, Aaron Halfaker <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Understood for page creations. The metric is named "Page creations". >>>> We ought to have a metric called "Content page creations" or "Unique >>>> content page creators". >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, having both would be great but I don't want to demand the world >>> on a stick. ;-) >>> >>> One bit of complication: How do you feel about the draft namespace for >>>> enwiki? Should it be included in content page creations? >>>> >>> >>> That should be in $wgContentNamespaces but unfortunately isn't (see the >>> config file >>> <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php>). >>> I'll get that fixed. >>> >>> >>>> As for edits, the correlation is so strong between edits to content and >>>> edits to other namespaces that it doesn't matter which we use when looking >>>> for trends.[1] >>>> >>>> 1. >>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Refining_the_definition_of_monthly_active_editors >>>> >>> >>> Fair point. >>> >>> J. >>> -- >>> James D. Forrester >>> Product Manager, Editing >>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >>> >>> [email protected] | @jdforrester >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Analytics mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> >> > > > -- > James D. Forrester > Product Manager, Editing > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > [email protected] | @jdforrester > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > -- Jonathan T. Morgan Learning Strategist Wikimedia Foundation User:Jmorgan (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jmorgan_(WMF)> [email protected]
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