On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Dan Andreescu <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think Ryan's point from earlier can still be extended to terrible data > from 2016 is surely better than terrible data from 2008. The possible > caution would be that we think the data is *better* than terrible and base > decisions off of it. So I guess the question is, we get that this is a bad > way to do things, but could any decisions be made from the results? > *(Clarification which is not in any way intended to invalidate your question): *the most recent data are from 2012, not 2008. - J > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Tilman Bayer <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Jonathan Morgan <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Oh, I thought it was an Enwiki specific request, because the thread >>> Pete pointed to >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_206#Updated_demographic_statistics_on_Wikipedia_editors> >>> starts with the following sentence: >>> >> The general editor surveys also featured results broken down by project, >> language or country. E.g. I would be happy to produce an enwiki-specific >> version of >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_2012_-_How_old_are_you.png >> if there is interest (I'm not sure how accurate the claim about the median >> age in that thread is), or someone could use the public datasets from these >> surveys to dig into other enwiki-specific questions. >> >>> >>> *"Does anyone know if there is a reasonably up-to-date source regarding >>> demographic statistics on regular English Wikipedia editors?"* >>> >> >>> Either way, I have no objections. Just opinions :) >>> >>> Jonathan >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Ryan Kaldari <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This request is not about English Wikipedia; it's about demographics >>>> for Wikipedia editors in general. Apparently, the last time we did a >>>> cross-wiki demographic survey was 2008. Let me know if that isn't correct. >>>> >>>> The specific questions that people would like answers to are: >>>> * What is the gender of Wikipedia editors? >>>> * What is the age of Wikipedia editors? >>>> * What is the educational background of Wikipedia editors? >>>> * What is the relationship status of Wikipedia editors? >>>> * What percentage of Wikipedia editors have children? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Jonathan Morgan <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> CC'ing Edward Galvez, our survey specialist. >>>>> >>>>> Hi Pete, >>>>> >>>>> I support this idea in general, and am always interested in learning >>>>> more about the demographics of our communities. A few >>>>> considerations/suggestions (these are opinions: I'm not in a position to >>>>> launch or kill a project like this). >>>>> >>>>> - It takes much more than a month to deploy and analyze a (useful, >>>>> successful, and LEGAL) survey. Especially when you're asking about >>>>> people's >>>>> off-wiki lives (see Dan's comments above). WMF ran an annual editor >>>>> survey >>>>> for several years, and ended up stopping in part because it took a lot >>>>> of >>>>> time, and there was no clear research question to justify the continued >>>>> effort of re-running the survey. >>>>> - I'd like to hear a more detailed rationale about why we think >>>>> the demographics of English Wikipedia may have changed since the last >>>>> survey. >>>>> - I'd like to hear a more detailed rationale for why it is more >>>>> important to understand the demographics of English Wikipedians (who >>>>> have >>>>> already been surveyed) as opposed to, say, the demographics of >>>>> contributors >>>>> to languages associated with countries where a large number of people >>>>> are >>>>> coming online for the first time (and hence represent areas of >>>>> significant >>>>> content growth within Wikipedia as a whole). We've run comparatively >>>>> fewer >>>>> surveys targeted at these users, and we have greater reason to suspect >>>>> that >>>>> the demographics of these contributors are actively shifting. >>>>> - This sounds to me like it could be a great Individual Engagement >>>>> Grant project. If someone submitted this as an IEG and it was >>>>> accepted, I >>>>> would be happy to support the project by working with the project >>>>> leader to >>>>> craft a useful survey and get the relevant Legal approval. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Jonathan >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 5:05 AM, Dan Andreescu < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Pete. This is a subject that comes up every now and then, but >>>>>> there is no active effort I know of to measure demographics. While it >>>>>> seems simple, and should be in a more ideal world, it is not. Any sort >>>>>> of >>>>>> self-identification tends to be heavily biased because a lot of >>>>>> minorities, >>>>>> when they identify as such, are harassed in some pretty miserable ways. >>>>>> We >>>>>> could run some of the tools we have to survey, like quick survey, and >>>>>> keep >>>>>> results anonymous, what specifically were you looking for? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, April 8, 2016, Peter Ekman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jimbo, on his talk page, said I should ask somebody at the WMF about >>>>>>> what's been going on and what might be happening soon re: Wikipedia >>>>>>> demographic surveys >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please see, >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Updated_demographic_statistics_on_Wikipedia_editors >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My feelings are: >>>>>>> *This is an important problem that should be easily dealt with and >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> be solved by a commitment from the top brass, and >>>>>>> *we need to take a spectacularly simple approach to just get it done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any feedback would be appreciated via my e-mail or even on Jimbo's >>>>>>> talk. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> Pete Ekman >>>>>>> aka User:Smallbones >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Analytics mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Analytics mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jonathan T. 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