Again, not knowing Hebrew but seeking to understand the comments about the Name in the 1906 edition online of the jewishenclopedia, it said that JEHOVAH is "A mispronunciation (introduced by Christian theologians, but almost entirely disregarded by the Jews) of the Hebrew "Yhwh," the (ineffable) name of God (the Tetragrammaton or "Shem ha-Meforash"). This pronunciation is grammatically impossible; it arose through pronouncing the vowels of the "ḳere" (marginal reading of the Masorites: = "Adonay") with the consonants of the "ketib" (text-reading: = "Yhwh")"Adonay" (the Lord) being substituted with one exception wherever Yhwh occurs in the Biblical and liturgical books." (etc.) I was not arguing about the first sentence there (mispronunciation), because we know that the "J" sound has no place in Hebrew, therefore Jeremiah, Joshua, etc., can all be called "mispronunciations" if we want to use that type of language or reasoning. It was the "gramatically incorrect" part that made me wonder, what IS he talking about? Then the writer of the article goes on the talk about the vowel placement and marginal readings, etc., which led me to believe that maybe somehow the "grammar?" of the word was really incorrect? Of course I don't know the further points he made without pulling my hair out. I am a novice and do not want to get into arguments over this, it has been pointed out by members of the board that the reason (perhaps) it was stated as being "technically incorrect" is for the same reason that the name of Abraham is also "technically incorrect" since the name MEANS something and in purest of senses should be translated by pictures?? If this is so, it is more understandable why HaShem has described himself and who he is by more than his Name. He has also defined his name to a large extent, as far as I understand, and various translators evidently have put forth varying degrees of what I AM means. Again, I'm not sure and am seeking to understand why the writer of the article which is quoted again and again on the internet, says the name JEHOVAH is "grammatically impossible." The best and most understandable answer I have received so far is the writer may have said this because Hebrew is an alphabet based on pictographs, those letters or pictographs have meaning in themselves. And so based on that, the original writer said that Jehovah is grammatically impossible. Which doesn't make sense to me, but that's where I'm up to right now.
--- In [email protected], Shomron <shom...@...> wrote: > > The Hebrew phonetics alone can very from sects and with no vowels these > phonetics were handed down from father to son (till some Jews wrote the > vowels in to their text) but the original as you all know all letter were > written together, so if a letter was taken from another word it changed the > meaning, if a vowel was added that was incorrect, it changed the meaning. > Samaritan Torah shows this with thousands of variations to sounds and > meaning. Also Avraham Tal (works on the Dead Sea Scrolls) informed me once > that 'there are words that the meaning of the word is not known.' Maybe the > vowels are not known or again the incorrect placement of letters for words. > Placing an incorrect vowel makes a big difference. Pronunciation is also > different (Tomato or tomato). > Even the ancient Hebrew classes that are on the web are speculation! > I have personally found the Samaritan Hebrew to be the best reading and they > still use the ancient Hebrew in their text. Is not there something about not > changing Torah, not change one word -one letter? You shall not add to it or > take away. Adding vowels to the original text, does that fall under the > instructions? Learning the correct name of the Creator, is that for everyone, > even those that would corrupt the name? > > Larry Rynearson > Editor of the Samaritan Update > > > --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Brooke Booth <angl...@...> wrote: > > From: Brooke Booth <angl...@...> > Subject: [ancient_hebrew] Re: I saw the video re: the Name > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 11:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All hebrew words (ie, 3 letters w no vowels) are "sounded out". We > don't say "shin lamed vav mem" for "shalom"!! We speak it. I don't understand > why Yod Hey VAV Hey would be any different (other than the jews say it's bad > to speak His name...for reasons other than Scripture)? > > Thanks for taking the time to reason this out. > > Brooke :-) > > > > > > > > __. > > > > > > > <!-- > #yiv1006303425 #yiv1006303425ygrp-mkp { > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;} > > #yiv1006303425 #yiv1006303425ygrp-mkp hr { > border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} > > #yiv1006303425 #yiv1006303425ygrp-mkp #yiv1006303425hd { > color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;} > > #yiv1006303425 #yiv1006303425ygrp-mkp #yiv1006303425ads { > margin-bottom:10px;} > > #yiv1006303425 #yiv1006303425ygrp-mkp .yiv1006303425ad { > padding:0 0;} > > #yiv1006303425 #yiv1006303425ygrp-mkp .yiv1006303425ad p { > margin:0;} > > #yiv1006303425 #yiv1006303425ygrp-mkp .yiv1006303425ad a { > color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} > #yiv1006303425 #yiv1006303425ygrp-sponsor #yiv1006303425ygrp-lc 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